littleredhen
DoppleMe

Morning - I have always said that a 3rd party was involved in my split with ex - my ex says it is just a friendship although just before we split they did kiss.

I know that I was unhappy as was he before this 3rd party became involved however I became fixated on what was going on with the 3rd party - I shall call her EW.

I am worried that if they get together I will crumble completely - the last few days have been good and I felt stronger but I have just found out that they will be attending something - kids included. He told me at the time, when I suspected EW would be going, that it was just for him and our kids, but now that has changed. I contacted him - I was so angry - my heart was pounding and I spoke to him in anger. Of course I didn't feel any better when I had got it off my chest and I know I have no right to stop them all getting together - the kids know EW and her kids unfortunately - she betrayed me and I can't forgive her and I don't want my kids around her. I know I have to move on from this because I think my ex is besotted with her (idiot!) I don't want to feel like this and I don't want it to destroy me. Neither of them have any respect for my feelings - even though I have spoken to them both in the past - neither of them accept any responsibility for what they have done - I need help to get past this and move on -

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 7:43am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi lrh

The Git became very close to two who I considered to be good friends.  They'd have innocent meet ups when The Git would take the children swimming or for a local walk when I was sleeping (worked nights).  The Git would never come for a walk or swim with me and the children...

It did take me witnessing something for the penny to drop, but then I never felt anger, as we'd gone beyond by then.

The part that annoyed me was that he told the children it was ok for him to be friends with these women as they were married Surprised  (delighted to say after a chat one day, eldest - 12 at the time realised that fact that The Git and I were married and that these women were married made it worse **phew**).  The Git told me that it was ok for him to be friends with these women as he wasn't sleeping with them.

Your ex and this woman are never ever going to see that they have betrayed you.  They won't feel guilt nor will they feel responsible and will have a million reasons to justify it.

I don't mean to sound negative, and I don't mean to sound hard, but one thing I did learn was that you don't get answers to things you really need answering, or them to admit they've wronged you.

In a way, now you realise that this is happening, it will make you stronger as you are more prepared to see things. 

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 9:27am

Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi littleredhen, this sounds as though you are feeling an awful lot of pain. However there is very little you can do here, other than look after and protect yourself.

What about finding something that you would really like to do, on the day that they are all doing something together?

You sound furious at both of them and that is completely understandable however the only person you are hurting is yourself, so be nice to you.

What about the old letter writing trick? Write everything that you would like to say and do to them, real and imaginative, really expanding on everything, then burn it, bury it or keep it so you can keep adding stuff!??

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 5:58pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks sparkling i do need you to be tough on me - i know what you are saying is right - i feel deep down determined not to let them destroy me but i was distraught the other day and couldn't believe my depth of feeling when i found out the information. basically my ex is a coward and he doesnt deserve any of my feelings - he has had no respect for me and you are right he wont give me any answers - he wants me to think its all my fault - well do you know what - if he wants to live in cloud cuckoo land then carry on - he will just fall into the same trap again - they are welcome to each other - EW deserves him because she won't get anyone decent because she is prepared to betray people and use them.

Thanks Anna - I will write it down - each time i get caught out with this kind of thing i tell myself i wont ever go there again - i need to write it down so i don't!!

i started writing down my feelings in the beginning and read it the other day and it is all still true - things like why would i want to be with someone who treated me the way he did and who doesnt want to be with me

I knew you kind folk would sort me out - keeping 'em coming!

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 6:18pm

Brian Rowlands

Hi Littleredhen.

I have been to that horrible dark place that you are in so I have a pretty good idea how you are feeling. My ex spun me the 'just good friends' yarn too and I was the last to see what was staring me in the face.

Unfortunately there is no 'quick fix' solution to this. I really wish I could give you one but it's sadly a case of 'going through it', staying strong and keeping your head held high. Look at it this way, you are too good to be treated in such an awful way and they are not worth wasting your emotional energy on. Talking it through with others is great therapy so keep talking on here and I really do wish you the best. Sorry I can't be of more help.

 

Brian

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 6:20pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks Brian - I am trying to hold my head high and i know i am wasting this emotional energy on him - i am trying to work through it - although it does catch me unawares sometimes - i find when i sound off at him all it does is make me feel worse and doesnt give me the answers i need - i have long thought there was something going on but i worry that it has become a sort of obsession which isnt helping me - i need to move on but somehow i am so angry with both of them to be treated this way

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 6:26pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello LRH

You are quite right to be angry, and I agree with you: how DARE they lie to you and treat you like this, epsecially him. It is tempting in this situation to shift all the blame on to the other woman but it takes two to tango, as they say.

The one positive I can see in all this is that it underlines for you that splitting up was indeed the right thing to happen and I do believe the anger you are feeling now is going to help you move on faster than otherwise. Remember the grief process article? However, it's important not to get stuck with the anger for too long.....you need to find an outlet for it. Physical things are good, such as exercise or even punching a cushion or screaming loudly (preferably when alone!) As for it becoming an obsession, that is why you need to learn to let it out.. Tell yourself you deserve better than this and you are well out of it!

Posted on: January 11, 2012 - 8:58am

littleredhen
DoppleMe

Thanks Louise - i do tell myself that if we hadnt split they could well have started an affair while we were together (convincing myself that didn't happen in reality!)

I really do worry about it becoming an obsession and then i really will be in a bad place

I also wish that when i heard the news the other night i could have gone out for a run rather than rang him and ranted but kids were here - maybe i should run round the garden a few times instead - you can get cushions with photos printed on - now there is a thought!!

thanks for the support - i really it need it just now!

Posted on: January 11, 2012 - 9:02am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Well we are always here for you. The obsession thing, it is early days to be worrying about that but if it does seem to you to be taking over as time goes on,  you can try the technique I described in a post last week to sparkling. I am copying it below for you. But do let it out of your system just at the moment, while it is so raw.

TECHNIQUE:

One thing I do with my counselling clients is I ask them to visualise
what would "contain" their worries. It could be a large chest with a
heavy lid, it could be a chest of drawers with different worries in each
one, it could be a tall cupboard, or something else....you pick the one
that feels most appropriate to you. Whatever you choose, it has a large
key.

Mentally place your worries in the container you have chosen. Lock
it. Say to yourself "I am in charge. I have the key. I can unlock it
anytime I want" . If you find yourself worrying inadvertantly, say "Ok
these worries have escaped, I am going to allow them X minutes to play
in my mind and then they are going firmly back under lock and key" Set
your stopwatch on your mobile if you need to, then mentally put them
away, saying "I am in charge". It takes a bit of practice to envisage
this at first so don't worry if the worries keep escaping. The most
important part of it is NOT the locking away, it is the affirmation "I
am in charge" Smile

Posted on: January 11, 2012 - 9:24am

Brian Rowlands
littleredhen said:
  

thanks Brian - I am trying to hold my head high and i know i am wasting this emotional energy on him - i am trying to work through it - although it does catch me unawares sometimes - i find when i sound off at him all it does is make me feel worse and doesnt give me the answers i need - i have long thought there was something going on but i worry that it has become a sort of obsession which isnt helping me - i need to move on but somehow i am so angry with both of them to be treated this way

Posted on: January 10, 2012 - 5:26pm

 

Hi littleredhen

Yes keep your head up. I believe the most important thing we have personally is our pride and once you loose that a downward spiral often follows. I can promise you hand on heart that things will get better but it's a time thing. You can't just turn love and feelings off like a light switch and it's a case of dealing with the pain day by day. Gradually over time you will find that you think about it less untill the day when it won't bother you any longer. Distractions help. I only relaly started on the road to recovery when I moved from the city back to the coast. I'm not for a minute suggesting you move but any new interest, hobby, etc is good. Keep going littleredhen, you're doing ok, and keep talking to people on here.

Posted on: January 13, 2012 - 8:05pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Have you got a dartboard lrh? Wink  Seriously, I know it is easier said than done, but try not to let the if's, are they, have they, eat you up,  You've been doing marvellously.

Posted on: January 14, 2012 - 10:21am

littleredhen
DoppleMe

here is the latest - although i still have no proof that they are in a relationship - he took my kids out for the day and EW and her kids were also there FOR THE WHOLE DAY - yes i am shouting - i was also crying/screaming and generally demented!

the problem is EW and i used to be friends so probably the way he sees it is that they already all know each other - i am so angry - he couldn't even have the courage to tell me that he had arranged a get together - mind you if he couldn't tell me they were all visiting an event together in a few weeks and had to let me find out via my child then he is a bigger coward than i thought he was

Do you know what i did folks - nothing :-)

I was so proud of myself - i emailed Louise (thank you) and i phoned a helpline at 6am to cry down the phone to a stranger - but through it all i managed to remain calm and do nothing - i had rehearsed so many horrible texts but then like my sister said "they are so not worth it" that is going to be my mantra - they are welcome to each other - they both betrayed me - she had already previously had an affair so good luck to my ex in case she does that to him too

deep breaths are the key today!

i hope tomorrow brings good news at work cos to be truthful to all you lovely folks - the straw is very close to breaking the camels back!

hope everyone else is well

 

Posted on: January 15, 2012 - 6:41pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Awwww lrh. I'm so sorry. You're right though, he is a coward. You're worth more than those two put together, just keep telling yourself that. Your sister is also right, 'they are SO not worth it'. Good luck for tomorrow at work, I hope you get some good news there. Take care.

Posted on: January 15, 2012 - 7:08pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks hazeleyes - i will let you know as soon as i hear about work

 

Posted on: January 15, 2012 - 7:32pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

The Git got very close to two of my "friends".  The children discussed one of them quite regularly, and she's walk into the house to wait for The Git to come home from work without knocking....  I physically pushed her out the door one day after he'd taken my car to be sold and was coming home from work on the train.  I had to pick him up using FiL's car...

**sigh**  You don't forget.

I'm sorry you're going through this lrh.  Fingers crossed you have good news at work.

Posted on: January 15, 2012 - 8:28pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks sparklinglime

Posted on: January 15, 2012 - 9:15pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi little red hen

Hope you are Ok today.

One thing I can really recommend......and not just from this post but just from chatting to you on other threads too when I have noticed that you feel very strong emotions but also see things differently by the next day....is that when a situation happens, as well as taking the deep breaths, acknowledge the emotion to yourself, say "I am feeling angry because xyz, I am feeling sad because of abc" Understand that that emotion is pretty powerful and can make it hard to think rationally. Therefore make a pact with yourself not to take any definitive actions while the emotion is so strong, set yourself a 24 hour ban on this.

Ok this does not diminish the emotion you are suffering but these will become less with time. Your feelings are totally understandable so let yourself off the hook, you are doing great Kiss

Posted on: January 16, 2012 - 10:03am

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks Louise - i will try - i can be very impulsive and i want action when i feel like that - however i am realising that i never feel better after i have acted - at the moment i am so proud of myself that i have done nothing since i found out the information about the day out - mind you he also hasn't been in touch - coward or what!

i am praising myself every hour that goes by that i am better than him and her put together - ooh pardon the pun!

Posted on: January 16, 2012 - 6:33pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

just wanted to check in with all you lovely people and say that i am really struggling at the moment - can't stop crying - can't bring myself to have any contact with my ex which i know is wrong as we have to sort out next contact - still trying to sort out work issues - i just feel at rock bottom and trying really hard to pull myself up - hoping everyone else is doing ok though - take care everyone

Posted on: January 17, 2012 - 10:41pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello LRH

Don't forget The Samaritans when you feel very low or alone, they have helped me on a few occasions I can tell you!

As for the contact with your children's dad, would it be possible to do this on email so you did not have to speak with him? If you do have to speak with him, could you have a friend with you?

Posted on: January 18, 2012 - 9:06am

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks Louise - I have phoned Breathing Space - i just can't keep phoning my sister crying all the time - it must be taking its toll on her.

He sent me a text about contact and we usually do it by text and email but i am so angry i just cant bring myself to reply - the fact that he spent the whole day out with EW then brought the kids back late only after i had phoned to see where they were and didnt even bother to explain - think he was worried what i would do!

to be honest i am not doing anything because i cant stop him seeing her - but i am so angry with him i cant be in touch - i contacted him over stuff last week and he never replied - i know its childish but if its good enough for him then why cant it be good enough for me

Posted on: January 18, 2012 - 9:12am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I understand where you are coming from, LRH and it is not childish at all.

I agree that the coming back late was unreasonable and whilst it is not the end of the world, I also think that establishing ground rules such as "if you are going to be late then you have to check with me" is a good idea as this will set the pattern for times to come. For example what if they were due back to you at 6pm and knowing that, you had arranged to go to the cinema with them at 6.30? Letter-writing is always worth considering, because it is one sided and you have chance to think about what to put. If your own letter is ignored, a solicitor's letter can be sent.

In the more immediate situation, whilst is is a completely nornal reaction to feel so angry and upset, it also sounds as if it is taking you over at the moment and it is important for you to be able to keep enough control over things to live your day to day life. Of course you must talk about it, to us, to Breathing Space, to your sister. (not to your children) but you also need to feel that you can have periods of time when it isn't dominating your life.

Two suggestions: I keep on about putting your worries in a chest of drawers in your head, but after some practice this works. I have explained the technique a few times on here but here it is again:

One thing I do with my counselling clients is I ask them to visualise
what would "contain" their worries. It could be a large chest with a
heavy lid, it could be a chest of drawers with different worries in each
one, it could be a tall cupboard, or something else....you pick the one
that feels most appropriate to you. Whatever you choose, it has a large
key.

Mentally place your worries in the container you have chosen. Lock
it. Say to yourself "I am in charge. I have the key. I can unlock it
anytime I want" . If you find yourself worrying inadvertantly, say "Ok
these worries have escaped, I am going to allow them X minutes to play
in my mind and then they are going firmly back under lock and key" Set
your stopwatch on your mobile if you need to, then mentally put them
away, saying "I am in charge". It takes a bit of practice to envisage
this at first so don't worry if the worries keep escaping. The most
important part of it is NOT the locking away, it is the affirmation "I
am in charge" Laughing

My second suggestion is to find something very absorbing, one thing that works for me, and has done for others, is colouring books. Sounds daft but it can totally concentrate the mind and provide a welcome break from the anxiety and distress

Posted on: January 18, 2012 - 9:41am

bea4

hello

sitting here trying to put myself in your shoe's, i'd probebly stalk them, cause a big scene and end up getting arrested, not a good outcome for anyone!..

this ew has heself a faithless man with a hell of a lot of baggage.. your thinking they have more than what they really have.. i know the mind runs away with itslef and heartbreak can take you to the depths of disspair but realistically you hold all the cards.. re-set your way of thinking, its as easy as that, we control what we think therfore we control what we are feeling..

your children know one home and your the parent in it, find comfort in that, you havent deserted them.. but give them a strong mum to come home to,, dont sit and wait for them, get out and do somthing, make your ex and his new bird feel like babysitters and then watch how it all unfolds, give her a month she'l be pulling her hair out! or his!! lol

 

Posted on: January 18, 2012 - 10:45am

Brian Rowlands

Hi littleredhen..keep going, you are doing great. You will feel strong one day and weak the next, it's part of the process, but everything that I'm reading tells me you are getting through this. Remember the golden rule..one day at a time.

Posted on: January 18, 2012 - 6:10pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Ah yes, colouring books... They are very therepeutic Smile

I keep repeating myself, but a rant and rave book works well with me - and is covered in warnings of not to read, as I do rant and proper rave in it Embarassed

Posted on: January 18, 2012 - 7:53pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

my ex is being a total idiot and a coward - I know I shouldn't listen to him but he now tells me our marriage was over years ago and he stopped loving me a long time ago - this is all because he feels guilty about EW - he won't admit they are having a relationship and that he left because he wanted to be with her so now he is trashing our marriage - its a bit like mental abuse - I told him I don't want to listen to it anymore and I have nothing else to say to him.  What little bit of love I still had for him died when he said that - he makes me laugh though because on the one hand he is telling one or two people he is really happy and on the other hand he hasn't told hardly anyone we have split - is that not a guilty conscience!

Last week or so has been hard as I adjust to what he has told me but do you know what, when I think of all that was wrong with our marriage I am glad that he left and he is welcome to EW - I hope her other friends are wary of her - she had an affair before she took a shine to my ex so I hope her other friends know what she is like.  I wonder if she will get fed up with my ex or perhaps she is on the rebound from her affair.

I had better get my cd out and listen to it every night - why I want such a waste of space as my ex to mess with my head is beyond me

Anyone with any pearls of wisdom would be welcome to comment!

Posted on: January 25, 2012 - 8:29pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi LRH

Erm....no pearls of wisdom but it's natural that you can't just turn off the lights on your marriage at the flick of a switch. Even if you feel you are falling/have fallen out of love with him, what you will grieve is the loss of your expectations, the loss of your former lifestyle, and by that I do not just need money but also the business of being in a team. Well, you are in a new team now, you and the children and it can be great, once you are used to the idea, and that will take a while. Remember the list I sent you about the stages of grief?.....well,WHATEVER your are grieving for,the stages are the same.

I think I have quoted this poem before, but it seems very apt. It's by Wendy Cope:

Defining the Problem:

I can't forgive you. Even if I could

You wouldn't pardon me for seeing through you

And yet I cannot cure myself of love

For what I thought you were before I knew you

*****************************************

Take care of yourself, you are doing splendidly, you know, don't expect too much of yourself

Posted on: January 25, 2012 - 8:57pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks Louise  - I want to be able to move on but sometimes i think i feel worse now than when we first split up :-(

 

Posted on: January 25, 2012 - 9:06pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Well, LRH, speaking from my counselling work I think that is normal, and Mich will also tell you that happened for her, it is all part of the process, at first we have some numbness to help us cope, but once that wears off then BAM. I promise that what is happening to you is totally normal and it shows me that you are doing some proper grieving now (which will be the thing that heals you eventually)

Have to sign off now but take good care of yourself

Posted on: January 25, 2012 - 9:20pm

littleredhen
DoppleMe

thanks - you too

Posted on: January 25, 2012 - 9:24pm