Hi there, a friend suggested this site for me as I seem to have got myself into a bit of a mess since splitting up with the father of my kids and don't seem to be able to move forward. I was with him for 10 1/2 years full time (lived together as a proper couple etc) and had two children together who are now 10 and 6. Yes we had our ups and downs (as most couples do) but as a whole we were happy together and both had a understanding that our kids come first and it was all about our family life. Then 2 years ago his mom passed away after a few weeks of being very very poorly. I didn't particular like his mom due to certain things, which my partner always said that he agreed with me on and that he understood why I felt like I did. However he then turned on me when he was told his mom was dying and said that it was over between us and that he would be moving out as soon as possible but could I just allow him to stay until it was all over with. Then he got in touch with his ex (swears it wasn't anything other than she always liked his mom), however at the time he denied it to me when I confronted him about it (but I knew what was going on but was made out to be paranoid, which in turn started messing with my head) the rows that was going on were horrendous, the atmosphere awful so in the end after his mom had passed away I asked him if he was certain it was over and he was leaving soon anyway to please leave now (as he was out all day clearing his moms house out anyway) and thought some space between us may help. He chose to go back to his moms house to sleep there as well (something of which he throws and me that I 'chucked him out' after his mom died) because his moms house was council I knew he only had 4 weeks until he had to give the keys back, I visited him a couple of times and pleaded with him to come back home and not to get somewhere and that not to make a decission like this whilst he was suffering with grief. However he was ademant it was over and he was getting his own place, which he did a few weeks later. That was just under 2 years ago, since then we have been 'trying' to make it work so that he can come back home. However he comes to stay over of a Saturday (he just turns up when he's woke up usually after mid-day) and goes back to his of a Sunday night, occassionally (when i've moaned about how can we make it work when we don't see each other) he will stop sometimes one (or we have even done 2 nights) during the week. He does work a late shift 2-10.30pm are his normal hours but I know that he has been finishing sometimes a few hours early over these last couple of years as he is on a once he's finished he can leave type job as sometimes he is there longer than his hours however he never just popped to see us, instead went to friends houses or out with friends. He gradually started spending more time with old friends and I found myself keep banging my head against a brick wall that please just spend more time with us, it's going on too long for the children I want you to be back here sooner rather than later. Which he always then agreed with and 'promised to spend more time with us'. We have taken holidays together and at Christmas or birthdays he's always come to mine and stayed with us for those periods as well. However despite my constant pleas of please give us more time he never seemed to, cue me losing my temper and then he'd say look it's you putting us two steps back! Sometimes, i've had enough and say I can't take anymore of this it's over for good which then he's come to me and said that he thinks i'm making a big mistake and he does want his family to work etc, or sometimes after i've lost my temper he'll run away shut his door and say that forget it, it's never going to work and then I find I go apologising to him and asking him to keep 'trying'. Over the last few months (after he told me that he would come and rent somewhere new with me in a couple of months) we had another blazing row due to me feeling like he has his 'single man' life then turns up for his 'family life' at the weekend. Bearing in mind during all this time the kids have been with me constantly and I haven't been doing anything or going out. It has now got really bad, we are no longer on speaking terms, when we do speak it ends in rows. A couple of weeks ago it was agreed he has the kids every other weekend he should of had the kids from 11am but turned up half an hour late and obviously very worse for wear from the night before, but acts like 'what's your problem, sorry didn't intend getting drunk last night, just went round a friends house and got carried away, and look i'm sorry i'm late I over slept, no big deal' when I flip my lid. I broke down and cried to him told him I was worried that he doesn't seem to be the dad he was when he was at home and feared his friends are no good. I spoke to him for a couple of hours and we both had tears, and again I found myself saying to him, please sort your head out and just spend time with us, we can make this work if you put the effort in. So he had the children that night and the nxt day phoned up and asked if I wanted him to come back with the kids and stay. I asked if he was sure as perhaps he just needed a bit of time to make sure (as things had been said during the couple of hours talk the day before) so we decided to go for a meal and then all week we we're speaking on the phone. Come the Friday before 'my' weekend he had txt something to make out he couldn't speak to the kids for a reason but I happened to find out he was out, so I 'pulled him up' about this and cue us not speaking again. I have been down now and said right if this is it we need to discuss exactly what is going on with the kids, when your having them, what happens for holidays, birthday's etc and he is refusing to speak to me about it. I have said to go to family medation to come to a agreement but he said he won't attend and if I go to solicitors he will ignore the letters. He seems to think that we can discuss all this at a later date and that for now we'll just 'plod' along as we are (he having the kids every 2 weekends and phoning the kids each night to say goodnight) nothing more has been discussed (in terms of if he finishes early what will happen, school runs, holidays etc) and I feel that for me to move on I don't want to have everything in 'limbo' until the situation arises and then we'll talk then. My problem is as well that because i've put so much time and effort into this over the last two years and haven't moved on (where quite clearly it seems he has or is) I don't now seem to be able to think of anything else, i'm over anaylising everything, where the hell did we go wrong, should I have done this, if only I hadn't done that. I'm also constantly fretting of how i'll feel if he meets somebody else as know that it will hit me hard and I feel like i've got this huge weight on top of me, where I don't see it getting any better. Thank you for taking the time out to read this and any thoughts or advice would be very much appreciated x
Hello littlemisspink and welcome to One Space
You do not mention being married to your children's dad...all I was going to say was that if you were, part of the divorce proceedings would be to fill in a long form about the arrangements for the children.
One thing is for sure: you cannot go on like this. Not only do your children need consistency but it has been a massive emotional rollercoaster for you too. It sounds to me as if he is burying his head in the sand and not facing up to what is going on. I also do have to say that if he turns up for parenting time the worse for wear, you need to be careful that he is capable of looking after them that day, and I would certainly ensure that he does not drive them anywhere as he could be over the limit. It might be that he is drinking more in general....and if he is still very deeply affected by his mum's death then he could have some counselling, But he is a grown up and this is HIS reponsibility, not yours.
I do think you need some legal advice. We have our own legal adviser on the boards, click here to email her a question, or you may choose to see one of your own in order to get letters sent. Is he providing financial support for the children?
Thank you littleangel and Louise for your replies, I know things that you have both said are right. But I suppose when your in the thick of it and still highly emotionally attached it's hard to see the wood for the trees. I agree littleangel that I think it has been all about him these last 2 years and whilst I tried to be patient due to his mom dying and that I was just grateful that he hadn't walked away completely I probably didn't help matters as tried to bite my lip an awful lot and probably did let him get away with a hell of a lot. Maybe that didn't help as I suppose when you get away with things you expect to keep getting away with things and then get angry when you can't anymore. But in turn although he's been saying all the right things, that he wants to make it work and is 'trying' and wants to be back in the family home, his actions have just made me feel that he doesn't care enough anymore and doesn't want it as much as me. He then try's to tell me that isn't the case but I feel so incredibly up and down all the time and frustrated that I lash out terribly and have terrible anger outburst and become quite abbusive in things that I say or txt (which know looking back he's drummed into me that had I not been like that he would of come back). I've tried to tell him that I only respond in that way because i'm hurt by the way he is treating me or making me feel and i'm insanely upset that this once loving father who put his children before anybody and everything doesn't anymore. I also think my ex- possibly feels guilty towards his mom now and rather than accept that he can't change things has pushed away those that make him feel guilty so Louise I have said for a while that he needs counselling but as you rightly say I suppose unless the person admits it theirselves, there isn't a lot we can do. I would quite happily go to somewhere like Relate or couple counselling, but he would never agree to that as doesn't see as he is the problem and that it is me. I think I need to try and get my strenght up first in terms of constantly worrying of what will he think of me if I do this (as by going legal i'm scared of annoying him and that it gives him the 'see your a cow and I was right to leave you' feeling). It's constantly on my mind, I feel down and one minute i'm crying to the nxt feeling angry and bitter and hating what he has done to the family to the nxt feeling desperate that I need him in our lives and I don't want to let go, back to then crying that somebody who I thought loved me so much (which has admitted he loved me so so much) has left me/us and I think how can your life be any happier now? Then comes the confussion as I can't understand it and then the whole vicious circle of my emotions begins all over again and I just think please when will this stop?! But I will use the legal advisior on here and see what they have to say? Take for example he tells me during our 'over periods' that he'll have the kids whenever I allow it.....so I said every other weekend and you can do two school runs, the one week on the monday after you've had them from saturday till monday morning and then the next week tuesday and thursday. The first week after we'd called it a day (again sigh) he didn't turn up when I confronted him about it he said he didn't want another row and so didn't turn up, I said I wouldn't of rowed and he could of txt / rang to gage the reaction first? The second week of school runs would of been the thursday as he'd had the children the weekend and taken them on the Monday. Thursday came and went and I ended up taking the children, when I txt him to ask where he was he said he was ill and had been too ill to get up, but I said well surly you could of text or called me to tell me that you wouldn't be coming, not just simply not turning up! So I took the school runs off him saying you obviously can't be relied on, so now you can have them every other weekend and if you finish early you can have them for an hour or so. He didn't finish early (or at least not tell me that he had bar one day it later transpired which he said he'd used to build the bunkbeds i'd insisted he now brought for the children as they didn't have beds at the dads despite him leaving 2 years ago so just proves how often he's had them because he's been coming to mine, ) and so didn't see them for two weeks and then cue that was when he turned up on the Saturday half an hour late and worse for wear from the night before (and no Louise I didn't let the kids in the car with him I ended up driving over to his with them). So after yet more rows this weekend as he refuses to talk to me regarding the kids, he said I was stopping him see the kids so I said he could have the school runs back. Today I was expecting him to turn up (as although we didn't say what days I just assumed it would be back to what we had already agreed) but no he didn't show and has instead sent me a txt at 11.45am saying is it ok for him to take the boys to school tomorrow? I have a feeling that it is because he has over-slept today! Part of me wants a proper order in place where it's strict but then part of me thinks is it better to try and be flexible with each other and allow him to just see them as and when he can or wants to? I think despite it all I do still love him and can't think straight! x
Oh and no we weren't married so no their isn't a divorce to go through x
Forgot to add as well that he is paying for the children, it was £70.00 per week but as I constantly would have to ask it for him or to set up a standing order (during our off periods) he has finally just done the standing order but for £280.00 for the 1st of the months (so i've lost out on 4 x £70.00 for the months there are 5 weeks in it). When i've said for him to have the children if he finishes early on a Friday rather than pick them up Saturday mornings as he had a go at me this friday that I was 'palming the children off' (had arranged a babysitter to go out) He said that he will have them every two weeks on a Friday before his weekend but will deduct money off me. But then he's changed his mind saying he will not agree to this so I can go out and that in case he has a Friday he doesn't finish work early enough to pick them up for their bedtime.
After i've typed all this out I can't believe how much of a mess it has all become
xxx
Hi littlemisspink, welcome from me
Yes it does all sound very messy and very confusing for you.
It sounds as though you need to lay some firm boundaries around what you are expecting of him. I know that you still love him, but I think he is taking this for granted and not respecting your wishes, so you need to get tough.
How about you write up an agreement for starters as littleangel suggested? Then you are clear on what you want at least?
Hi littlemisspink
Thanks for explaining more.
It will be helpful for you to get advice from our Legal Expert. It feels to me as if there has been so much going on that it is hard for you to focus on the basics, and the legal position may well enable you to do that.
Whilst it is always great if you can have flexibility between the two parents, for example if one of the children has a party or school trip, on the whole children like to know where they stand and I still feel some sort of formalisation would help.
Hi Littlemiss,
Welcome to the site x I am sure you will find it very useful as I have.
Wow, you have had a very hard couple of years, the good news is you have got through it and now it is just a case of figuring out how to move forward.
It seems you mother in law's death sparked a dramatic change in your ex, maybe it was grief but we are two years on and he is being incredibily selfish. Your children need and deserve consistency but your ex seems only concerned with what HE needs. You have put up with himmessing you about emotionally for too long and I think it could be time you draw a line under the sand and showhim you mean business. Personally I would go ahead and see a solicitor anyway, he says he will ignore it but it may be a different matter when he actually receives the letter. It will be helpful all round if some kind of agreement is drawn up. If he doesnt respond I guess you have to make a decision on just how much you are willing to allow him to see the children and inform him of the times/dates you have decided on (as he isnt willing to have any input) and let him know that you will NOT be deviating from the arrangements you have decided (so if he calls for additional time or to change time etc, simply say "no I have set out the plans you had a chance to be involved and you declined, the plans will stick as they are")
You have been left with the responsibility of the children's day to day care of the children and your ex doesnt seem forthcoming at wanting to share any of that responsibilty by helping with school runs etc. Im afraid we cant force people to do things all you can do is keep up your hard work and in time the children will see just how amazing you were.
I hope this helps a little. Big Hugs x