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rowlands.jo

i have 2children age 4yrs and 2yrs they constantly fight with each other and my 4yr old has suddenly developed a bad attitude she talks to me as if im worth nothin i have only been seperated from my husband 4mths and all these problems started about 3mths ago so i know its all to do with whats goin on around them but how do i deal and handle it and just basically start having control over my kids again they ignore everything i say or ask them to do they just scream and shout at me can someone please help with some useful info thanks

Posted on: October 8, 2009 - 5:47pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo
Welcome. You've already said that it started about 3 months ago, so at least you can put it down to when your ex left. They are very young, and it is so hard for them to adjust too. The 4yr old has to know that she can't talk to you like this. Yes, she is hurting, but if you don't nip it in the bud now, then she'll think its ok. I assume you've tried the normal things like the naughty spot, chair etc. Have you tried the reward chart?
I suppose the fighting can be dealt with in the same way as the attitude. If you start all of these methods though, you have to keep them up.
I always try to put myself in the child's shoes, and imagine how they are feeling, if we as adults are hurting and don't understand a lot of things, then they must be frightened, very confused etc. I think I would give them lots of cuddles, reassurance etc, but also explain to your daughter that it isn't nice when she talks to you like that, and it has to stop.
Sorry, I've not been much help, but this is a great group, and lots of people will give good advice.
Take care, and remember, things will get better.
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 8, 2009 - 6:37pm
rowlands.jo

ive tried the naughty spot but she just sits there singin to herself so dont think its doin what its meant to do. i know she hurtin and i know she blames me cos she went through the phase of sayin she hates me and its my fault she is angry but she seen her dad with temper and anger so she thinks that this is the right way even though i sit her down and talk to her sayin that i want us all to be friends and happy together just the 3of us and what she does with her anger is wrong but she doesnt seem to listen she is a 4yr old but very stubborn :) i will try the reward chart though see if that works thank you
joanne

Posted on: October 8, 2009 - 8:18pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Joanne
At least she sits on the naughty spot, singing or not!!! Is she at Nursery or school? The two year old probably just copies the four year olds behaviour, which makes things twice as bad for you. I always think there is light at the end of the tunnel, (sometimes, mine is a blinking long tunnel), but eventually you get there.
Hope you're having a quiet evening
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 8, 2009 - 8:27pm
rowlands.jo

yes she is nursery starts school next september so there is light at the end of the tunnel just 12mths away :) had a nice quiet night thats 1 thing i dont have a problem with my kids are really good at bed time they both asleep by 7.30 an sleep til 7 in the mornin its great :) thank u for the advice i feel better just talkin about it probably sounds silly but true.
thank u again

Posted on: October 8, 2009 - 10:19pm
sparklinglime
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Hi

Distraction can work quite well, especially if you can take them out and away from what ever they're fighting over. Kicking a ball outside can relieve so much tension.

Seems you're doing brilliantly though. Ignore the bad behaviour (that is soooo hard, I know) and praise the good - however small this may be.

Also random dancing around the kitchen to The Killers and Mr Brightside - as loud as you dare - usually get their jaws dropped in disbelieve. Well, it works with my lot... :shock:

Posted on: October 8, 2009 - 11:23pm
rowlands.jo

ive started goin play group first time this mornin to try and get rid of some of their energy which was fun it was nice havin some quality time with them but now me little 1 missed he mornin sleep so she tired an moody lol its just a no win situation i think :) i know we will get there in the end its just gonna take time an alot of hard work

Posted on: October 9, 2009 - 12:02pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo

Firstly: welcome! I am glad that talking about it has helped. One good thing is that when they are this age, each stage doesn't last tooooo long, although of course the next one could be as bad :shock:

The others have given you some great ideas, I would also suggest you stay mega-calm, no matter how cross, stressed, or upset you may feel. When your elder child is being naughty one method that can be helpful is "First....then". The way this works is that you say something like "FIRST I would like you to speak quietly/stop hitting your sister/sit down nicely (whatever she is doing wrong) THEN we can see about you getting a sticker on your chart/ having your juice/watching In the Night Garden" (whatever will motivate her) If she continues with the bad behaviour, you repeat the same phrase several times and then if there is still no effect you say "Ok it is now TIme Out" (that is similar to sitting on the naughty step) It is fine if she sings on the naughty step, just gnore her. At the end of the "naughty time" say "do you understand why you were on the naughty step/chair?" and if she doesn't give you the right answer then you explain again why she was there. It is really hard the first few times but the more times you do it (calmloy and firmly and with good eye contact) then the easier it will eventually become.

Gosh it is hard work, though, isn't it? I really think that we should get some sort of medals for parenting. Have you got some nice plans for the weekend?

Posted on: October 9, 2009 - 7:16pm
rowlands.jo

i will give that a try aswell thank u louise i had a babysitter last night to give me a little break an to celebrate as i am following up what ive wanted to do for so long and get career in childcare i just been accepted to do my nvq i start soon so had a nice night last night but got my own 2kids an my nephew 2night he is also 2yrs old so 3kids on my own gonna be loads of fun lol
joanne

Posted on: October 10, 2009 - 3:01pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

First of all congrats on your NVQ course. Hope that goes well for you. Glad you had a bit of a break last night though it sounds as if you're paying for it tonight ;)

Just remember, deep breaths and staaaaaaaaaay calm....

Posted on: October 10, 2009 - 3:09pm
rowlands.jo

dont worry i will remember big breaths :) but usually its not 2 bad they keep each other occupied my youngest an nephew get on really well they are the same age only 3mths between them so my eldest gets abit left out sometimes
joanne

Posted on: October 10, 2009 - 4:07pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hope you all survived the sleepover :D

Posted on: October 11, 2009 - 10:26am
rowlands.jo

only just all 3kids had me up at 12.30 again at 3 again at 5 and again at 6.30 so not a very good night :( but we survived it lol
joanne

Posted on: October 11, 2009 - 10:35am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi joanne
Wow, you must be shattered. Get those matchsticks out for your eyes. :lol:
Hope you get a little bit of peace today, maybe they will zonk out for an hour during the morning! Fingers crossed for you.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 11, 2009 - 10:40am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I recommend an early night tonight....for everyone!

Posted on: October 12, 2009 - 8:49am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo

Lots of tips here for you to try out!

I want to add my own, it worked wonders for me and my daughter when she was being aggressive after a lot of trouble with her dad - Special Time.

It means spending some time just being with them, giving them our time to do what they want, without us putting any demands on them.

It shows them that they are important to us as individuals and we want to spend time with them.

I know it is not easy having two, but maybe your older daughter can go to bed half an hour later, so she can have special mummy time?

Have a read of our articles in the Info Library in the Behaviour section on Special Time and Temperament for some more on the subject.

Have you tried anyones tips yet? How are they working?

Posted on: October 12, 2009 - 3:36pm
rowlands.jo

ive actually had a really good day 2day with her only had 2 tell her off once but she did listen 2 me but we started this mornin talkin about the time she went butterfly world so we had a nice talk about somethin she enjoyed so we started the day good and it stayed like that for the rest of the day but spoke 2 her key worker in nursery 2day and she said she is so polite and such a pleasent child in there so it just at home with me when she plays up :( but hopefully we made a break through 2day i had my princess back :D
joanne

Posted on: October 12, 2009 - 7:29pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Well done rowlands.jo!

It often seems to happen that children behave really well at school and nursery and are more volatile at home, I guess this is the better way round and also I think as parents we need to acknowledge that they have to let off some steam sometime. Anna's Special Time suggestion sounds fab, and I do think that the parent staying calm is a really effective tool (easier said than done! :lol: )

Fingers crossed that this is the start of a new stage for you

Posted on: October 13, 2009 - 10:38am
rowlands.jo

well had an ok day today my eldest only kicked off once on the bus and she kneed me in my leg i did get some horrible looks i hate it cos people look at u with disgust but technically its not my fault it is in some ways cos i decided to be on my own but i did not cause this pain it was her father for bein the way he was. i started the special time tonight so when my youngest went to bed we sat down and read her favourite story i will do this every night and see how it goes fingers crossed i want my little princess back its so hard to look at her and not even recongnise her she totally different i know that sounds harsh but its how it feels i did not bring her up to behave this way she was always so respectful polite used her manners and everything but now its just nasty with no respect for no-one or anythin
joanne

Posted on: October 13, 2009 - 8:10pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo
I think you're being rather hard on yourself about the bus incident. People do look when a child acts up, and it is awful at the time. Just because you decided to be on your own, doesn't make it your fault. Your daughter will eventually settle into her new routine, and you are doing brilliantly.
When my son started Reception, my goodness, did he change!!!! I used to tell the teacher that I was bringing home the wrong child! He was a complete nightmare. Beforehand, he was polite, very pleasant, and within weeks, he was a monster.
I know it is different, but I honestly think it is all down to change of routine etc.
It took months before I could actually see a child that I used to have before he started school :lol:
I hope this makes sense! Just keep on doing what you are doing, and things will work out.
Hope you get a good night
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 13, 2009 - 8:26pm
rowlands.jo

yes it does make sense dont lke the sound of it takin mths :( but as the sayin goes always light at the end of the tunnel so will get there soon enough i just got to stick with it.
how long does it take before it does start gettin easier? its already been 4mths but it feels like its gettin worse rather than better i find myself sittin there and for no reason i feel like cryin but ive not been like this only the last couple of days.
joanne

Posted on: October 13, 2009 - 8:43pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo
I think many of us have a day, days, or even longer when we just sit crying. (we've all got to let our feelings out somehow). Sometimes I find myself crying over the sheer frustration of stuff. It could be absolutely anything.
Your daughter is showing how she feels by acting up, and seeing, (I guess) how far she can push you. It will get better though. You are doing all the right things, so stick with it.
Hope you have a good day today. If she acts up on the bus, down the street, or in a shop, ignore the onlookers. (what's the betting, they too have had children that have acted up). Sometimes, I used to think I would love to do what that woman does in the advert, on the floor going mad. (do you know the one). I have to admit, I have done it at home, that soon stops my son :lol:
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 6:28am
rowlands.jo

i know advert u r on about it would be great to do that i do think it would work aswell :D feel better so far 2day my daughter been so lovin she keeps tellin me she loves me so i think we might be gettin there got to take her for an injection later so she will probably hate me again later but she will have a good enough reason cant stand needles myself :)
joanne

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 10:33am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo
Ahhhhh, bless her. Is it the pre-school booster? I pre warned my son, and kept pinching him to give him an idea :lol: . Got him some sweets too, which he clutched in other hand!!! He was brilliant though, I would have screamed. Like you, I hate needles. You see, she does love you. When she is kicking off, keep telling yourself that. Lots of hugs for her later.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 10:41am
sparklinglime
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I hope she'll be ok after the injection.

My daughter's having the one to help cervical cancer today - although she's not so well, so maybe they won't give it to her... She's 15.

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 10:48am

rowlands.jo

ive told her she gettin the injection she said she goin 2 run away :) i had 1 this mornin aswell so took her with me to show her nothin to be worried about but it didnt help she still runnin away :D ive told her will get a lollipop if she my big brave girl. we've been playin really nice together this mornin we got a rabbit and budgie so got them both out they play together so its good fun
joanne

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 11:32am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

It's horrid, isn't it, sending them for injections, even if you know it is good for them

sparkling lime, hope your daughter is Ok, yours too rowlands.jo !

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 11:33am

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Sparkling
Hope your daughter is feeling better. If she has her jab. hope she's ok :)

Posted on: October 14, 2009 - 12:15pm

sparklinglime
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Daughter had jab, although her arm is rather red today! She's no better, I'm afraid, but thank you for asking.

Her gerbil died yesterday too - even though I was a doting mum and took it to the vet for an anti-biotic injection. You have to try! But... I can't help but think it was a waste of £15! (shhhh)

Posted on: October 15, 2009 - 10:58am

sparklinglime
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rowlands.jo wrote:
ive told her she gettin the injection she said she goin 2 run away :) i had 1 this mornin aswell so took her with me to show her nothin to be worried about but it didnt help she still runnin away :D ive told her will get a lollipop if she my big brave girl. we've been playin really nice together this mornin we got a rabbit and budgie so got them both out they play together so its good fun
joanne

I hope you're ok after yours - and that you had a lolly!

Posted on: October 15, 2009 - 10:59am

rowlands.jo

i didnt get a lolly after mine lol but i did get a sticker for doin such a good job an pinnin my daughter down so she could get her injection :lol: she did hate me 4 a while afterwards but she been really good today lots of cuddles again think ive finally made a break through with her :D im feelin better now about it all now i know we will be ok and have a happy future together
joanne

Posted on: October 15, 2009 - 5:50pm

Claire-Louise

Hi Joanne
Sorry if I seem to be repeating myself as I have replied to your post but things got lost when they repaired the site as they had to revert to the saved version from Friday AM. Well done for getting through the injection trauma - it is horrible to have to witness, let alone be part of. Luckily children manage to be really upset one minute and then completely forget about it not long after so hopefully she will not remember it.
Hope you had a good weekend?
Cheers C-L

Posted on: October 21, 2009 - 4:40pm

rowlands.jo

yeah she forgot all about the injection not long after. we had a good wk end it seems like her behaviour has calmed down just havin problems if i need to go out without her she wont stay with anyone but me but other than that she been behaving for me we are gettin alot more quality time together and im gettin my little princess back full of hugs and kisses even though it was really hard work it was well worth it just to get her back so things seem to be looking up for us we are moving to get a fresh start and so her dad doesnt know where we are i know it will unsettle her again but in the long run its for the best so things are definately on the up :D
joanne

Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 9:26am

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Joanne
Really pleased to hear you have your 'princess' back :) As you quite rightly say, she will probably be unsettled with the move, but thats to be expected whatever the circumstances. Have a lovely weekend.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 11:16am

Claire-Louise

Hi Joanne
really good to hear things are on the up - cherish those up moments as much as you can! I have 2 children of similar age gap although mine are now 6 and 4yrs and if there is anything I have learned along the way, it is that parenthood is a continual roller coaster ride! I know it is a bit of a cliche but it is true it is full of ups, downs and ups again! you just get used to one stage or phase and then it changes again. So for me, it is about cherishing the ups and not worrying too much about the downs and not fretting about what downs might be round the corner or you knacker yourself out unnecessarily.
You are right to be prepared for a bit of an upset wheh moving but that is quite natural - try to think positive. The more positive you can think about the future, the more positive it is likely to be!
I am glad you feel like you have your princess - she will always be your princess! good luck with the move - do you have a date for that? There are some good books about moving house which might be good to get from the library or through her nursery. I know when I was pregnant with my second child, the nursery were great are reading kids books about babies to my eldest and I think that really helps them to process the idea of it in advance. Might be worth checking out? Will she still go to the same nursery or does the move involve a complete new start for all of you?
Cheers C-L

Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 1:59pm

sparklinglime
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I really hope that the move goes smoothly when the time comes and the future is a happy one. I'm sure she'll settle down quickly - it can be so exciting.

My very best wishes

Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 6:36pm

rowlands.jo

it is a total fresh start so we are moving out of the area so will have to change nursery but moving closer to my best friend and the kids cousin who is the same age as my eldest so they will be goin the same school and nursery which is something i can use to get her excited about it all :D not got a date yet hopefully sortin a viewin on a place next wk if all goes well be about a mth or so it is further away from my family but this feels like its something i have to do i know kids will still see family but not as often im not sure why but it is something i have to do so doesnt matter what family say im gonna do it anyway i know me and the kids can have a happier and better life by me doing this but no-one seems to understand that :(
joanne

Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 7:14pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi rowlands.jo

You have got to do what you think is best for you and the kids, no matter what other people say :D

Hope you are having a good weekend

Posted on: October 24, 2009 - 1:55pm

Claire-Louise

Hi Joanne
Good to hear further details of your plans for moving and good that you will be near friends/cousins. I say the same as Louise in that you need to do what you think is best for you and your children. You cannot please all the people all the time and you know yourself and your children best of all. I don't live that near my family but I make the effort to go and see them and treat it a bit like a holiday. Sometimes it can work to the better because you end up having quality time with family members when you go for a visit. I am sure the others will come round to your decision, it sometimes takes people time to get used to change.
Good luck with the viewing!
C-L

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 11:33am

rowlands.jo

well i thought about whats best for me an my 2kids instead of tryin to please everyone else i decided the move is a really good idea so ive been lookin found a house and hopefully moving in about 3wks or so so keepin fingers crossed. i have more good news aswell i was fighting for sole custody of the kids cos i dont want their dad around as he is violent an my 4yr old already messed up in the head because of things he has said an done i received solicitor letter saying he has agreed to it so maybe now we can finally all starting moving on and forgetting the bad times he has put us through so i think now things are really lookin up for us as a family of 3 and we are ready to start our new lives together just the 3of us. the behaviour issues i was having with my eldest are fading away bit by bit day by day so i am now starting to believe we can be a happy family and a good future infront of us i dont feel like crying anymore im smiling a little more each day :D
i truely believe if i can do it so can anyone else so there is always hope and light at the end of the tunnel
joanne

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 10:40pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi joanne
I am so pleased that you have thought the move through, and not been pressured by anyone. As others have said, you have got to do what is best for the children and you. You've made the decision, so it's all systems go. (Don't envy you the packing though) Have you got people who can help you with all of that?
The sole custody is also great. Maybe your ex has realised that he isn't good to be around right now, and hopefully will get help with his violence etc.
Everything is looking good for you. In such a short time, you have your life back on track.
Have you told your 4 year old that you are moving? How did she take it?
My son was 3 when we moved, and I made it into such an adventure for him. He picked the colour of his bedroom, and even helped paint it a little. (good job we didn't have carpet down at the time)!!
Take care, and happy packing
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 30, 2009 - 9:28am

Claire-Louise

Hi Joanne
Thank you for this post and well done you. it is really good to hear that things are really looking up for you and your family. It is a really brave moce you have made but you sound like you have put your children's best interests first and I believe you have made the right judgement for you and your family in terms of sole custody and moving somewhere you can feel safe and have a fresh start. You are right - it is a real inspiration to others that they can do it too when the time is right for them.
It sounds like you are taking things day to day which is good too so setting realistic goals in terms of what to expect and slowly you are seeing the fruits of your hard work so the behaviour issues you mentioned are slowly improving and you can see light at the end of the tunnel which must seem really rewarding!
Keep it up and good luck with the move.
C-L

Posted on: October 30, 2009 - 10:56am

rowlands.jo

yes i've told my 4yr old we are moving done the same made it into something fun cos we moving near her cousin who she adores but doesnt see much of her and she keeps askin what colour will the new house be so told her she can choose the colour for her bedroom of course she picked pink :lol:
as for the whole thing of getting our lives back on track in a short time its cos im a determined person if i want somethin i dont quit til i get it :D the only thing is ive just realised how close christmas is so im putting the move on hold til after christmas cant afford to do both at the same time but as soon as new year comes will do it then so new year new start etc
joanne

Posted on: November 1, 2009 - 10:43pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi rowlandsjo

Yes, christmas, is creeping upon us. You could maybe use the new house as a reason for not splashing out too much over the festive season.
Being determined certainly helps when you are going through these upheavals, good for you! :D What a relief your daughter picked pink for her room, you could have ended up with dark grey or something like that :lol: When I came to this house, the son of the previous occupants had allowed him to pick his own room colour and he had chosen flourescent green. Guess which was the first room I decorated? :lol:

Hope you have had a good half term and ready for a new week now?

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 7:43am

Claire-Louise

Hi Joanne
That is a sensible idea to move after Christmas - you could always use a christmas as a way of getting/giving new things for the new house. We are now in Novemeber and then Christmas creeps up on us in no time. it is my brithday in Novemeber so I never think of anything xmassy until after my birthday but then it is suddenly here!
I am gald your daughter is happy to be moving closer to her cousin and picking out her bedroom colour etc. I think once they understnd that all their things get moved with them (especially toys and favorite teddies) etc they are well into the idea! I remember my son going through a whole list of questions 'Will my bed come to the new house? Will my toys come with us to the new house? Will the bath come with us to the new house?' etc ect!!!
Good luck with it all
C-L

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 4:58pm

rowlands.jo

ive not had anythin asked about toys etc but she did ask if the bunny rabbit was comin with us :lol: of course it is. my youngest is now ill raging temp not eatin keeps comin out in what looks like a netle sting rash so she gone very clingy so my eldest daughter gettin jealous an sits there sayin how poorly she is etc im tryin to split my time evenly but its harder when 1 is ill an when my little 1 has a sleep i make sure i spend the time with my eldest but it still not helpin :( hopefully she will feel better soon so we can get back to normal just as we start gettin back on track something knocks us back but i guess thats just life so we just got to learn to live with it
i would just like to say aswell thank you to everyone for the advice thats been given ive found so much help and support from here and its helped us alot so thank you all
joanne
xx

Posted on: November 4, 2009 - 10:00pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

hello rowlands.jo

Glad you have found good support and help here, that's what it is all about :D

Sorry to hear your little one is ill, you're right it is one thing after another, that's parenthood for you. Just hang on in there and let's hope she is soon feeling better and you can have a bit of a break.

Posted on: November 5, 2009 - 9:33am

Claire-Louise

Hi Joanne
Life with kids is a bit like waiting for buses, nothing for ages and then two in one go. It does seem like you have have a real spate of things at the moment and I hope you can keep strong and get through this bit. It is horrible when they are ill as you can feel so helpless. There seems to be a few nasty bugs going round at the moment. And splitting yourself between two children is hard too. How is your littlest feeling today?
good luck with it all
C-L

Posted on: November 5, 2009 - 5:35pm

rowlands.jo

well all back to normal kids are all better again :D and i have spoke to their dad we are gonna sit down like 2 grown ups and sort things out about the kids instead of draggin out for mths through the courts cos its all about what best for the kids and they need their dad an mum to be speakin even though we not together it still takes team work together to make the kids happy and settled so hopefully that will all go well
joanne

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 9:31am

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi joanne
Glad to hear the kids are back to normal. I'm pleased you and the children's dad will be able to sit and talk. It's got to be a hell of a lot easier than dragging it through the courts. I wish you luck :) Are you still planning on moving?
Take care
Alison
x

:)

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 9:55am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Glad to hear everyone is better. That sounds like a great idea for you and their dad and sort out everything yourselves, good luck!

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 10:34am