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Homework Battles

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
I am not sure if this is connected to what has been happening at school, but for the first time since starting school, I have come up against the 'not doing homework'. My son 7 has always eagerly done it, (without much prompting from me). At the weekend, when I mentioned the homework, I was met with 'so are you forcing me to do it?'. I replied, 'if you were at school, would you refuse to do the work'.
My son 'no, but I have to do it when I'm there'
me 'have I given you this homework?'
my son 'no, the teacher did'
me 'I'm not forcing you, the teacher gave it to you, so you have to do it'.
The work is way too easy for him, so I know that isn't the problem. He sat down and did some last night, and it took him 5 mins!!!!
He has no choice but to do it of course, I am trying not to lose my patience with him, and hoping this is a one off thing. I have told him that if he doesn't do it, then obviously there are consequences at school. He will lose his playtime etc. My question is I guess, if this carries on, do I give him a consequence at home, as well as the school? You see, I've already told him that if he ever gets told off at school, depending on the situation of course, I wouldn't be cross with him at home. For example, if he was talking in the classroom, not sitting properly etc, then I wouldn't be cross, but for something like being horrid to someone, then I would be cross, as I wouldn't tolerate that. Am I doing this right?

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:17am
harissa

Alison, I had exactly the same issue with my son for the whole of his last academic year, year 6 (age 10/11).

You wrote "The work is way too easy for him, so I know that isn't the problem". Actually, that may well BE the problem! My son's arguments boiled down to his belief that, as the work was so easy, it was a waste of his "valuable time" (his words, lol) doing it. I looked at what he was doing in his "valuable time" and invariably it was doing things which were either physically or mentally challenging. Conclusion - his homework needed to be more challenging! I even took it up with the school but to no avail.

He's now in his 1st month at secondary school and suffering an avalanche of homework for which he is ill-prepared. It doesn't help that the school assumes that all kids have access to their own personal computer and have internet access. This has been quite a barrier as other people use our sole ancient household PC so it is a fight for him to use it when he wants to or needs to. I even had to write a letter saying he had done his homework but we couldn't print it off as I cannot afford ink for the foreseeable future; fortunately they let us email it in to his teacher.

I've just posted a request on Freecycle on the offchance that some kind person can give him a computer of his own. Then the little blighter will have no excuse, hopefully...

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:34am
sparklinglime
Online
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Oh, the joys of homework.

Nightmare here with my 13 year old (school finally have agreed help there, as it was causing great upset at home - he has special needs. It only took them a year :roll: )

My youngest. He's now in Year 6. I let him face the consequences at school. It does mean missing play time for him too, but he knows this, and the school knows I try...

I hate school more now than I did when I used to go!! :lol: (I used to quite like school, really)

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:42am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Sounds as if you have explained things to him really well, alisoncam. it's always difficult to motivate them if a child either can't keep up with classwork or if they find the work too easy.

I would try a consequences approach at home. You can choose the carrot or the (metaphorical) stick. The carrot would be something like a star or sticker chart, winning a sticker every time he does his work without moaning. On the other hand you could decide that if he doesn't do his work then he loses out on his TV programme. If you do decide on the latter then I have a suggestion for the way to do it. Instead of saying "Well! if you don't do your work then there's no Spongebob Squarepants" in a cross voice, try sittingback and saying (as if you're thinking about it) "Well you CAN choose not to do it, but then unfortunately there'll be no Spongebob, it's up to you"....and walk away as if you don't care. That usually works a treat and teaches them that a. it is not a weapon they can use against you and b. they DO have choices but they have to take the consequences.

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:51am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Harissa
I quite agree that the work isn't challenging enough for him! I too have mentioned this to the teacher, when he was in year 1, (last year). She was absolutely brilliant, and set him extra work in the classroom as he was always the first to finish. However, the teacher he has now, I don't think she would help in anyway, so I probably won't even approach her.
I shall continue doing stuff with him at home, as I've always done. It just seems such a shame that he isn't being pushed to his abilities at school. When he was at the nursery, the teacher had him assessed, and I was told that he was gifted. She advised me to keep on at the school, (once he had started). I did this, but ..........
Hope you are keeping ok. Have a lovely afternoon
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 4:18pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Sparkling
That is absolutely disgusting that it took them a year to give your son the help. I know the parents have the same problem at my son's school. Unbeliveable!!!!
Today, my son told him (without me saying a word) that he will watch Horrid Henry and then he will finish his homework! :o
He's had a fabulous day at school, so that also could have something to do with the attitude.
Thanks Sparkling
Have a lovely afternoon, sunshine is gorgeous again, long may it last
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 4:24pm
sparklinglime
Online
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He's a good lad!

The first parent's evening for my son in High School was very interesting. I saw the SENCO before I saw the teachers (you have to queue to see each teacher), and ended up questioning the teachers as to whether they were aware that my son had special needs and if he was having one to one in the class. I was raising my voice with them in the end! I see little point in statmenting a child if they don't act on it.

It was straight back to the SENCO after, I could see her face drop! She's very good though, to be fair.

Last year was his second year, and in the parents evening his year tutor called me over and asked if I could explain to him how my son's head worked. He listened and took notice. The teachers by then were getting to know my son a lot better and could see that if he's interested in the subject he's quite brilliant! I also got an agreement for the teachers not to have a go with me about homework. It could take two and a half hours of tantrums and stomping to get him to do five minutes of work. Nightmare. Absolute nightmare.

One night the older, after another yelling session dragged him in, he was on the floor. One was pulling a leg, and youngest was following in tears carrying the school bag... I know it sounds hilarious, but the following day was when I spoke to SENCO to say that I was no longer doing this to the other three. She understood.

It's not as if he sees it as getting away with it, as his head wouldn't see it like that. He just moves on to the next with without feeling he's won and no feeling of guilt. I think it must be quite nice at times.

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 4:32pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Louise
This is exactly what I say. He knows, and I believe, has to know that in life there are consequences, whether you are young or old. Have to say Spongebob wouldn't work, but Ben 10 definately would :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The homework is going well this afternoon, so far he has read one book, (without any prompting), Next is the written homework, watch this space :lol:
Thanks Louise. Hope you're enjoying the beautiful sunshine
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 4:39pm

sparklinglime
Online
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Glad he's done it!

None here this evening.

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 8:22pm

Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi all

Alisoncam, something that I learned to do with my daughter was to talk to her about it first. Either on the Friday evening or Saturday morning, I would ask her if she had any homework over the weekend and then ask her when she was going to do it, so we could plan around it. The same worked in the evenings. So after school I would ask her how much she has, then she would decide either that she wanted to get on with it straight away or if she was going to do it after kids TV.

It worked really well for a long time, especially when they hit senior school, the pressure is on them to do it and be responsible for it, however your post has highlighted to me that the last couple of weekends she has been trying to do it on a Sunday night and then gets frustrated with it, because she is tired and bedtime is looming!! I will be having words tonight! :)

harissa, I hope you get some joy from freecycle, it might be worth looking on gumtree too.

Posted on: September 30, 2009 - 10:56am

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
All homework completed and handed in this morning. My son even read another book :)
We had such a lovely evening. Figured I wouldn't rant and rave, (seemed to have worked). I'm sure kids play up to get a reaction out of you!!!!!!! (of course I never did that as a child) ;)
I did, however have to tell him about 20 times that he isn't allowed to kick my walls. He pretend fights, you know with the arms and legs everywhere, then he seems to attack the wall!!!!!!!! It's a wonder the paper is still up.
A friend is picking him up with me this afternoon, she loves listening to him read, so that's tonight sorted for me too. Yesssssssss, peace.
Have a great day all
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 30, 2009 - 11:03am

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
Happy to report that this weekend, my son has been happy to get on with it straight away. No fuss, no tears. I actually think the problem last week was to do with what was going on at school. Only problem is, one of the pieces is about dinosaurs, so he has taken over the computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm now limited to the usage, I knew this day would come :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hope you are all having a stress free weekend. Weather not great here, windy and dull.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 3, 2009 - 10:54am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Glad the homework battles have receded for the time being alisoncam :) The "methods" that we discussed earlier in the thread can be used fo many different scenarios, can't they? and fit in will with your own philosophy of "consequences" so they are worth having up your sleeve for a future occasion

Take care

Posted on: October 3, 2009 - 4:35pm

sparklinglime
Online
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I'm so glad the homework is done!

Youngest's friend brought some home for him from school - he is so unimpressed!! hahahaha!

He is better today though, and has played part of his football match. Might be a mistake, but he missed his Scouty thing yesterday morning and his friend's party yesterday afternoon - although he was better, not well enough to go. Different boy today.

Posted on: October 4, 2009 - 2:57pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi
Glad your son is better. Am well sure he wasn't impressed with the homework!!!!! Haven't much had a look in with the computer this weekend. Taught 7 year old how to search for stuff, and now he is well away!!! Roll on tomorrow. :lol: :lol:
Spoke to friend earlier. She has been on her own for about 5 years. Told me she now has to sell house, and let her boys go out on their own. She has told the 22 year old he is best off going to the council, saying that she is throwing him out with his 16 year old brother. She is in a desperate situation. She sometimes holds down 2 jobs, and still can't make ends meet. Her ex is now with someone else, and has a new baby. He isn't in work, so can no longer pay her mortgage. Now, he wants his share of the house. Feel so sorry for her.
Hope all having a good weekend. Ours is a pj one! ;)
Take care
Alison
x

Posted on: October 4, 2009 - 3:27pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello all

alisoncam your poor friend! tell her to get some legal advice about him asking for a share of the house equity. PJs here, too, by the way ;)

sparkling I am glad your son is better, you can tell him he is now recovered enough to do his homework :lol:

Posted on: October 4, 2009 - 7:18pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Louise
Will tell my friend that thankyou. I love pj days. It's so relaxing isn't it? My son also loves them. I got so cosy and snug last night, eager to watch Frost. Excited as I'd not seen that one before. About an hour into it, I fell asleep!!!! I was gutted, but I know I needed the sleep, have been whacked all week. Going off soon to snuggle down, hopefully, I will get a good night sleep again.
Sister goes into hospital tomorrow. Having ct scan on lungs, then op on Tuesday. I've got hospital appointment on Wednesday to do with my foot. I've got stress fracture. Had accident in garden two years ago. They can't do anything, so pointless visit really, but I will go to it, and then afterwards visit my sister. Much easier that way, while my son is at school.
Have a lovely evening and a good week
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 4, 2009 - 8:05pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi alisoncam

Are you not a Strictly Come Dancing girl then? Your sister is going through more tests, I am sure they are doing their best for her but it must be very worrying for all of you, I am glad you will get to visit her, she will be pleased to see you (and you can feel that you haven't wasted time with your appointment, is there really nothing they can do?)

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 8:09am

sparklinglime
Online
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Hi Alison

I hope things go 'ok' (which is such a weak word) for your sister. Such a difficult time for you all.

Your foot must be painful! Poor you. I hope you have a good visit with your sister.

then, sorry, can you sort of change youngest's name in your post? I'm really sorry. I have no problem with regulars knowing, Yet you never know... I type away so happily at times!

You take care

xxx

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 10:05am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

hello sparkling

I have edited out the name, don't worry ;)

Hope your day goes well. How is your leg?

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 10:25am

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Louise
Not a Strictly Come Dancing girl at all!!!! Just spoken to my sister. Obviously very nervous. With regards to my foot, they say it is a matter of time! Different doctors that I see tell me different things, (isn't that the way). When I first had the accident, nothing showed up on the x rays. After several weeks of not being able to walk on it properly, I was referred for physio, another two months down the line, I was referred to the hospital, and so it has been on going. I had it in plaster for two months earlier this year, but that didn't work. Am told to rest it as much as possible, but nothing makes any difference. Oh well, things could be a lot worse.
Have a good day, miserable weather here.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 10:44am

sparklinglime
Online
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We have sun!

Just had a fright. My friend phoned to say he was getting chest pains, was off to the surgery and then put the phone down!

Well I rushed (yeah, right) up to the car and drove down there, and his partner was driving him down to the surgery. I had no idea if she was there or not - and was relieved she was!

Seems he has a cracked rib.

I'm shakey (they're good friends), so goodness knows how he is... She's gone off to play golf now :shock: He's just given me a ring to let me know he's ok.

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 12:19pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Sparkling
What a shock for you. Glad to know he ok, have a cuppa to stop you shaking.
Take care
Alison
x

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 1:54pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Oh alisoncam "rest it as much as possible" (with a seven year-old? yeah....right) Hope you get some more positive news this week and sending lots of thoughts to your sister.

Sparkling lime, what an awful shock! He did right to check it out (and broken ribs are painful, I had one last year) but I bet you were in a right panic. PHEW>>>>>>

Posted on: October 5, 2009 - 2:38pm