I want to move away
I currently live about 3 miles away from my sons father and his family and relations are very strained between us since our split last year. OUr son is 5 and sees dad 1 night mid week and saturday night/sunday day. However, I want to move closer to my family who live in the South West, will I be doing the wrong thing by my son? It is so hard being on my own with no family support around. I live in a rural area where it is very difficult to meet people and for job opportunities, I just want a fresh start in life for me and my son, is it wrong to want for me to be happy also? I'm so confused about this!
Hi Becky
Family support is soooo important to a working single mum - if I didn't have my wonderful mum near me (83 but still a rock to me!!) I don't know how I'd be able to cope.
It seems you've thought about this and are making the move for all the right reasons - you DO need support, both emotional and practical so don't feel guilty.
The only warning I would give you is that your ex could apply to get his CSA payments (if this is relevant to your circs) reduced because you moving away will land him with extra travelling costs to see his child.
Sounds on balance you would be in a much better situation all round IMO, though.
Good luck, Fi xx
Hi and thanks for your advice, its good to hear encouraging words instead of 'but what about your son, what about your ex, how do they feel?' This is all I have thought about for the last 2 years and have put them first. Yes it is important that my son is happy and it would be great if me and his father can come to some arrangememnt over visits etc but I think I will always feel guilty for taking my son away from his dad and this is what is stopping me from moving. When I mentioned to my son that we may go live and nearer to his other grandparents and that daddy will be staying where he is he nearly burst into tears and that really upset me. But I am unhappy where I am too and this is definitely reflecting in my mood and well being, and you are right our children can see this. Having lived here for 10 years now I am ready for a change and new challenges/opportunities but am i being selfish by wanting better things for me and my son?
It would be good to hear if anyone else has been in this situation before.
Hi beckyboo
I moved 120 miles away from my partner to be closer to family when i was pregnant, but because of that guilt, i was the one who would travel backwards and forwards all the time with a newborn baby. :roll:
I decided i wasn't going to do it anymore after 2 years – we had too may arguments, he gave me no monetry support for petrol, let alone nappies etc and definitely no emotional support, but he believed it was his god given right that I deliver his daughter to him on a regular basis!
After taking me to court over this, he came to my town and took her off for fortnightly weekends, it was all for show and eventually he couldn't keep it up. I told him to keep in touch by writing to her, telephoning her, but he chose not to.
I felt huge guilt that i was splitting up father and daughter, but it doesn't have to be like that -its all about how you view it, he made me feel guilty, but now looking back it was the best thing i ever did, apart from splitting up from him that is!
They have a choice how much they interact with their child just as we have the choice to sort our lives out.
If we put the shoe on the other foot, of course we would be upset that our ex was taking our child away, but we would have to respect their decision and then it would be up to us whether we moved to be closer to the child, or visited every weekend or arranged that in the holidays we have them for a week or so.
Don't give your power to him, this is your life, your time, your family. Good Luck xx
I just wanted to add that, wanting to support yourself by surrounding you and your son with your family sounds like a positive move. If his dad is so concerned the distance will not matter and he will got the extra mile...But thats my opinion.. and it sounds like you would compromise and come back regularly as well if that was possible.
Perhaps you could do a trial and just spend lots of time there seeing what it was actually like to live there, and then if felt like it was definitely more beneficial for you to be there as the full time carer AND you son was happy and felt like he'd like to be there too, knowing he would see daddy regularly and that you would both go back and visit dad too....then you could safely say you are making the right decision....
As with all decisions though we must trust our instincts!! Writing down the pro's and con's can also be useful so we can see what it is that we will gain/loose....
Good luck, you have you and your son's best interests at heart....my boys dad moved miles away and doesn't see his children at all....no consideration there!!
Exactly how far away are you thinking of moving? You can't put your life on hold completely, emotionally and financially for 18 years (although it may seem that way being a single parent anyway).
Is your ex someone you could consult and come to some arrangement? Or would he dig his heels in?
I personally would consult a solicitor to see what your rights are before you start considering everyone else apart from yourself. You are not saying your ex can't see your son, but it would be less often, but for more time. You won't be the only parent who lives away from the remote parent, and it can work.
My ex lives 20 miles away, and he collects Emmie every fortnight (well, his wife does) on the Saturday morning, and I collect her Sunday evening, right in the middle of Busters bedtime, which is a right a.se. And he only pays £20 a week (not through the CSA I might add) so you may want to check to see if maintenance payments are adjusted. At the end of the day, it doesn't change how much it takes to bring up a child, so the distance is irrelevant in my mind - I could be wrong, but worth checking.
Your son might have cried his eyes out when you first suggested it, but if you change that round to say that he will be seeing daddy for a week at a time not just a weekend, then that may soften the blow. Children adapt very quickly at that age, albeit it may take up to a year for him to settle, it's not that long in the scheme of things.
If they aren't prepared to walk over hot coals to see their children, then we know we're making the right decision.
Good luck with what you decide.
Clarey xxxxxxx
Hi beckyboo
Have you come to any decisions yet? If so how are his family taking it? Or if not, how do you feel about life now?
Keep in touch with us, we are here for you. :)
Hi all and thanks for all the advice, its great to know that I'm not being irrational about wanting to move. My ex makes me feel so guilty for having a life with my son, its like he is jealous but he hardly makes the effort to see or speak to his son apart from when its on his terms and his time. I'm the one who has to sort out holiday cover and in most cases takes the time off work to look after our son, ex never offers and when I ask he makes out like it is such an inconvenience to him and that he has to work too, so there is no respect for me as a single parent who works part time and trying to make ends meet. Dont' get me wrong I know he is a single parent too but he works full time, has the suport of his family who live nearby and doesn't have to look after his son on more or less a full time basis, makes any decisions about his future or shows that he really gives a damn!! But anyway, I'm no further forward to making the final decision yet but be assured that it is still in the back of my mind and I guess one day soon it will all come clearer and I will make the best decision for me and my son.
Many thanks for all the reponses everyone has posted, please keep them coming. x
Hi beckyboo, welcome back!
I always used to think that was really tough for the ex, not being able to be around their own kid all the time, I used to sometimes wish i could have another kid just so i could give it to my ex, so i wouldn't feel so guilty ...... (I was a bit bonkers in my daughters early years!!). It would absolutely kill me to not be around my child full time, as I'm sure you understand, but if the situation was reversed I know that I would do everything in my power to be there, painful it might be, but for my kid I would do anything. It sounds as though your ex is not straining at the bit to be really involved in his son's upbringing, only when it suits him. it also sounds like you are bending over backwards for him and putting your needs on the backburner.
Another thing I wanted to say after reading your post was.... why do you call him a single parent, he isn't, I know this might cause contention from others, but he is the absent parent, not single parent, he is not even part time, he is 'in his own time' parent. :oops: It really irks me. I don't know if this is how you see it or how he explains himself, i just don't think some people have the right to call themselves single parents when they aren't. I don't have much, but I take pride in being a single parent and I do have empathy for part time parents, but it is a completely different kettle of fish :oops:
....sorry..... did you have a good christmas?? :)
I agree with what pinkywizz has said - I've started using the terms parent with care and non-resident parent when posting.
You are doing a fantastic job with your son. I can appreciate how you feel guilt wise though, as I still do with my children's dad, even though he's the one who chooses to see so little of them - as with you, on his terms, although I do now refuse if the children have plans (I've only done this twice though!). He's reluctant to be responsible for them financially too! Just likes the nice bits.
Don't let your ex control your life. If he was playing fair, then your life would be so much easier. Having your family's support would make such a difference to you.
Hi Beckyboo!
Thank you so much for posting this on here as I am having almost the exact same dilema as you. When I married my ex-husband I was living in a part of the country where I had no friends or family (I moved this way due to my job) and I adopted my freinds and family-in-law from him. Now we have gone our seperate ways I no longer have contact with his family or his friends. I have no local family and friends are mums in the playground and people that I work with. I would love to have a supporting family around me but that would entail a 3 hr journey door to door and I know that alot of arguments would happen around the children travelling for that amount of time for a weekend (He no longer has them for any length of time during holiday etc as his girlfriend doesn't get along with our 8 year old son). I find myself increasing emotionally beating myself up over it because it would mean another move for our children but I would be happier in myself it it were to happen. I feel physcially and emotionally trapped by this as I did in our marriage and when I do think about it, it almost reduces me to tears. I wish I had a magic wand! If there is anyone else that can shed any light on any ideas on this then I would sincerley appreciate it.
I hope you are getting on ok with your plans beckyboo and I wish you all the happiness in the world
:)
Hi Blusey
I wish I had a magic wand too! :D
Maybe this is one of those "make a list" scenarios, you know, where you write down the pros and cons? I know it would be an upheaval for the kids but kids are very adaptable and soon settle and make new friends and would have the benefit of extended family nearby. Another thing to consider is how easily you could get a job in the new location (am just thinking credit crunch here!) If the main problem, however, is the travelling to see Dad then are you able to do most of the legwork, at least at first? Please also bear in mind that if the children's father is paying child support through the CSA, or a CSA order, he can apply to them for a reduction in view of costs of travelling for parenting time.
Above all don't "beat yourself up" about this. Sometimes the right decision is NOT to make a decision......and the way forward can become clear almost as if we did have that wand.
Take care
Louise :)
Hi Louise,
Thanks for you comments.. as for the CSA part.. I already get a reduced amount from their dad as he has gone on to have another 2 children and this reduces the amount that I get so it is negilgable anyway and I recieve no other help finacially from him regarding our children. So this to me wouldn't be any sort of major blow...
Money wise it is more to do with my house, as I own it out right (from the money gained from the divorce). Selling it now just isn't an option as I would barely make anything on the sale. So as for now I am having to stay put but hope that in the future maybe this problem will resolve its self and I can put my efforts then into concentrating on my life and where I want to be with my children :)
Hi all,
Just wanted to chip in. I was living with my husband (now ex), surrounded by his family, 3 hours from my own family and, whilst I found friends etc it all changed when I had my daughter. My ex and I split up when she was 8 months old and I decided to move back to be near my family - best thing I ever did. I was lucky with the house sell and move though which I realise isn't always the case. I now have great support and have lost that permenent sick / tearful feeling I used to carry around with me. My ex used to travel over to see our daughter and then did move over himself - however he still only sees her when he wants to and only when his mistress isn't around! That is much easier to deal with now that I feel more settled - it used to ruin every single minute of every single day because I used to feel so isolated. Happy me means happy daughter! Yes I felt guilty initially but, ultimately, its about the happiness of the child and the happiness and stability of the person who is their carer day-in-day-out. Good luck with everything and I really hope everything works out ok. :)
Hi jschs
Thanks for your message, I hope it brings a little light into the world for people who are facing this dilemma, from what you say, moving to a place where you wanted to be was the best thing you did and you have no regrets.
Blusey7, moving house is one of the biggest stresses a person can go through, especially during these times when the house prices are at an all time low. So Louise's message is absolutely right though, if it can't be done at the moment, take time out from wanting it and wishing for it, your time will come.
Hi Bluesy7 and thanks for your post, it's comforting to know I'm not the only one going through this! I can sympathise with you completely and you definitely shouldn't beat yourself up over feeling emotional and teary, you have alot to deal with and doing it on your own is certainly not a barrell of laughs, but i am sure you are doing a great job all the same. I must admit I do agree with Louise about doing a list of pro's and cons as to moving, would be a good idea and useful for you. I have done this quite recently and it has certainly helped me to realise that I'm not in the right area as it doesnt offer alot of social opportunities to make new friends (my friends tend to be people I work with or mums at school too). if I was to think about not moving nearer to my parents (they live 5/6 hours away!) then I would have to look at ways to meet people however this is not easy with vey limited childminders/no local family etc, but on the other hand moving would be a huge thing for us and my son would hardly see his dad at all and probably not even through school holidays as this is when he works the most.
HOWEVER (and its a big one) ex has suddenly turned round and said to me twice now he doesn't want anything to do with me...at all ...so now this has left me feeling quite upset given that I haven't done anything wrong but I think the new girlfriend has something to do with it. He even said this to me in front of our son 2 days ago and which I think unsettled him a bit and now I'm the one who has to try and explain tthings o him even though I dont know why myself. SO you can now imagine this has made my desire to move away even stronger and to get away from all the hassle. I have even sought legal advice recently and I have been told that as i have sole parental responsibility as me and ex were not married I can move within the duristriction the of the UK unless ex went to court but this would be a lengthy and costley process for him and we could have probably moved and settled somewhere else in the meantime which make it a little harder for him to contest (?).
It can be so hard to know what the right thing to do is and I guess you do have to follow your heart, there is no point in saying that you could be happy where you are when you know you won't be. When the seed hs been planted and there is a strong desire to start afresh nearer to family to have the support you need then I guess you have to go with it or you will drive yourself crazy going over it in your mind all of the time, believe me it does cos this is me at the moment!! Even if you moved (obviously when the time is right for you with regards to selling the house etc) then there is no reason why you cannot try it and see how you feel when you move. It may be that you won't like it and chose to move back or may be the best thing you ever did, what I'm trying to say is you don't know unless you try. I think that becasue I am so unhappy with where I am I too I am very teary even now after 2 years from separating from ex and if this is having an affect on you as a person, your happiness and the children are picking up on it then you may want to think about what will make you happy, like jschs quotes 'its about the happiness of the child and the happiness and stability of the person who is their carer day-in-day-out'.
I wish you all the luck in the world and happiness with whatever you decide, I know there isn't going to be any easy or quick answer and like me you may think about this for a long time (2 years for me now!) but I'm sure you will make the best decision for you and your children.
hope to hear how you get on. x
I currently live about 3 miles away from my sons father and his family and relations are very strained between us since our split last year. OUr son is 5 and sees dad 1 night mid week and saturday night/sunday day. However, I want to move closer to my family who live in the South West, will I be doing the wrong thing by my son? It is so hard being on my own with no family support around. I live in a rural area where it is very difficult to meet people and for job opportunities, I just want a fresh start in life for me and my son, is it wrong to want for me to be happy also? I'm so confused about this!
Wen my boyfriends ex wife wanted to return to her native country with their two childeren she had to go through court.
They were not really interested in how the children felt about being seperated from their Dad. What they wanted to know was how the Mum would be better off and be able to cope with the children better if she moved.
Because she was the primary carer for the children her hapiness was very important as well as being able to prove she could care for the kids practically.
They let her go.
So I guess if you are unhappy and have a better prospect and life somewhere else then your son would be seen as better off as well.
The relationship with his Dad will change but his life 'at home' will be better because you will potentially be happier.
Hi pixiponk
It is interesting to hear that a Judge considered the mothers wellbeing first, more often is the case is that the father's rights are taken into consideration, even if he has been abusive or violent to the mother or children. What part of the country did the case happen, do you know :?:
I do think that the parent with care should be considered with regards to contact, and not 'just' the children.
The stress I was put under was (and it was, I'm sure trivial to what many go through, I know) incredibly difficult to cope with, especially as it quickly followed our homelessness. In my case it was with the cancellation of contact time, and having to deal with the distress and anger of my children. It takes tremendous effort to put a calm face on with your children and keep the household running, while you know there is a 'war' in progress behind the scenes.
At the end of the day, the parent with care needs to be well to care for the children.
There are many factors here. Anecdotally, I hear of parents walking out of children's lives or only bothering with sporadic contact, leaving the other parent to pick up the pieces and deal with the children's upset. I also hear of parents who are desperate to participate in their children's upbringing and who are obstructed in this by the parent who has the main day-to-day care. Both situations are desperately sad for the children and can stem from the very deep and real feelings that parents suffer during a separation and its aftermath. :x
Re moving abroad: someone I knew here in Yorkshire applied to take her children back to her native country in S America. The children's father tried to stop her. He won the case but she took it to the Court of Appeal in London and her case was accepted so she moved away. In her case, the main grounds for the case were related to her: more family support, the fact that the British climate made her health worse etc. and it was argued that the children would be better off with a healthier mum and extended famiy around them.
Louise
Hi, I haven't been on this site for a while and I thought I would check in to see whats been happening. I thought I would let you all know that I have now finally put my house on the market and I will be moving soon I hope. I have, until now, received little resistance from my ex. That was until this evening when my ex came with easter eggs for the kids and he handed me a letter. He wants to have my daughter to stay with him for 6 months while we move and for our son to remain with me. His reasoning being that the upheaval for our daughter will be too great and she should go to school with his girlfriends son and our son misbehaves for him so therefore wants him to remain with me. All I could do was hug both my kids so much and tell them that I love them. They wanted to know what was wrong and 'had dad upset me again with the letter'? I can't tell them what he's said as I feel they are still too young to understand (being 9 and 7) and I just hope I have the strength to get through this next jolt. While I know what my answer will be I don't want to think about it at the moment. Does anyone have any advice?? Thanks :-)
I often worry away a few days wondering what my kids are thinking and what I should say about something concerning something that their mum is/isn't doing that I think she should/shouldn't.... be doing.. blah de blah and what ever...
I stress lots sometimes... or I used to which is why I'm so much more relaxed as a parent when she isn't around, like now.
But! here's a thing that made me laugh to my self today..
I tried to engage my son (7) today in a conversation about his mum and I asked him... do you think about your mum sometimes? and he replied....
Only when you ask me about her.
oops!
I think children know more than we credit them for and what they do know they know in a way very much differently to how we, as adults with ten to twenty or how ever much years more life experience do.
My advice is tell them, what he says and then ask them what they think and go from there... They are never too young to understand.. they have to start somewhere and the sooner that is the better understanding they will have sooner : ) If you get what I mean..
good luck.
Blusey7
That letter would have made me so angry! Wait until you are calm to answer it, that is the best tip I can give you. I agree with Bubblegum that you could share this proposal with your children but take care that your son does not feel any more rejected than he did before. Your hugs and reassurance were a great idea!
That's apalling.
I'm stunned. Your poor son...
I take it your ex's partner doesn't have a daughter?
I think he should go and whistle. In my opinion, the siblings need to be together.
My lot had to face the house being sold and losing everything to pay of ex's debts (only my oldest knows why me had to sell, as he felt he was old enough at 18 to know). We faced homelessness when the landlord sold the house we were renting, and we had the joy of getting the key to this place, which gave us hope while we waited for the housing association to get it ready (over 8 weeks). We faced it together...
Loads of hugs. And as Louise has said, be calm before you answer it...
Hi Bluesy7, welcome back, it sure is nice to see you and to hear that you have taken the plunge and put your house on the market, I am really pleased for you.
Interesting that your ex has put up so little resistance until Thursday, maybe he was making his own plans.
Although I think that they are not too young to understand, only you know whether to tell the children or not and how they will react, although I can't imagine how you would tell your son what his dad said. I think previously you have said that the 'girlfriend' doesn't get on with your son, I guess this has a major influence on your ex's thinking
I also wonder if your daughter might want to live with her dad for 6 months? Have you thought about this? Is it a fair suggestion? Does she want to move? Is she excited?
I would suggest that you went a saw a solicitor for the free half an hour that you are entitled to and find out if there are any legal implications that you need to consider, just so you know all the facts, if possible I wouldn't discuss this any further with the ex if possible, do it via letter.
You will get through this bluesy7 and soon enough you will be in your new house surrounded by supportive friends and family :)
Is your ex planning to have them over the easter break? Will he say anything to them?
Hi Beckyboo
Our happiness is vital in raising our children successfully, if we are feeling strained, unhappy and unsupported we can only pass those negative feelings on. We may try and fake it and put up a facade, but children seem to have a sixth sense about these things!
It sounds as if you are feeling guilty at the thought of wanting to move to be nearer your family, who can provide you with support, in a place where there will be more job opportunities and where you feel you can provide/create a happier life for yourself? You and your son have a right to this.
You say that things are difficult with your ex’s family, they may be fearful that you might move away, but if you are clear about why you are moving back, it is their responsibility to respect your decision and discuss what arrangements that suit you both, for them to see your son. It sounds as if you know what you want to do, but just questioning whether it is the right thing to do. There is no right or wrong about it, you need to go with your gut instinct.
It is completely natural for women to want to be near their family when bringing up a family of their own. You are lucky to have a family who you feel will be supportive.
Keep in touch and let us know how it goes when you tell them, or other worries you may have.
Has anyone else moved away from ex partners to be near their family or friends? Do you have any words of wisdom for her?