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treza01

Hello there .. forgive me as i am a bit of a novice with forums ...but does anyone have any advice on explaning an absent father to a very bright 4 year old

My partner and i have been split up since my son was 6mths and in that time i have agreed to 3 lots of mediation at his request .. all of which have failed .miserably because of him

All meetings were to arrange some contact as i believed he should see our son - i have always been flexible and on all occassions he was a no show .. resulting of a gap of a year and half now
Now my son is asking .. why he doesnt come see him .. a year ago i tried the busy working bit - but i am really now struggling to explain ... when living round the corner he cant be bothered to see him -
I have read some responses from similar posts - and agree that honesty is the way forward ... but he wants to visit him and sadly thinks the sun shines out of his %%%% ...
We are in contact with other friends - school etc that are in a single parent situation as mine but all the kiddies see their fathers ... and i hate to say it but i do think its affecting him ... he can understand that we have a happy home with just mummy - but when the other kids get the once a week visit and he gets none its heartbreaking

ANY advice would be great
Thank you so much T

Posted on: August 3, 2009 - 11:44pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello treza

How sad for your boy! And sad for you to see this.....

Sparkling lime may have some words of wisdom for you on this one as she has been through similar with the father of her children.

There are a couple of ways you could go with this one. You could write the other parent a letter saying that your boy misses him and wants a dad in his life and you would like to establish regualr contact and a relationship. You could say in the letter that this has been distressing your boy so much that if this time his dad does not respond then this is his dad's last chance. You could say that you are prepared to go to mediation to sort out the details (http://www.nfm.org.uk/index.php?page=Local Offices). Enclosing a picture/card from your boy and signed by him might also tug the heart-strings.

If you feel that you have been far enough down that road and doing this will not get you anywhere, you could try a bit of a reverse psychology and write to him saying that as he has not bothered with your boy for a year and a half, it is upsetting him and you have decided to cut off all contact with him and for him not to see your boy. This might "provoke" him into a reaction (he could have just been drifting along)...strange how people get cross when what are perceived as their "rights" are taken away.

You will have to be honest with your son to a degree....but there is a world of difference between "daddy doesn't care, he's an absolute b*******" and "what a shame daddy can't come to see you, I know you are sad and I wish he could come and see you too, I don't know why he doesn't, you are such a lovely boy. Let's go and xxxxxxxxx" As he gets much older, if there is still no contact, try not to criticise his dad but say "it is because daddy didn't want to be with mummy, that's why you never see him". Give your son lots of praise and encouragement and surround him with other adults that do the same.

Sadly, we cannot FORCE the other parent to share our love and interest for our children, I wish we could!

Posted on: August 4, 2009 - 10:35am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi T

My youngest was 5 when we split up five years ago. Their father lives in the same town, yet sees them very irregularly.

My youngest is the only one who will ask why The Git (my name for him :D the children do refer to him as dad :roll: ) doesn't see them.

It did hurt them, but I do tell them that dad has chosen a new life, and he's happy with his new life, they know I've done all I can to encourage him to see them. I've asked the children if it's good that daddy is now happy, and they say yes - and to be fair, I don't begrudge him his happiness. I also tell them that in his new life he is very busy, but loves them dearly and will see them when he can.

Youngest will ask me to text him to ask when he's seeing them, and I refuse. I do tell them he won't answer.

It doesn't make it easier for your son, or for you. But being brutally honest might help him realise that his dad really does have other priorities and there's nothing you can do to change it.

Sorry, I know it doesn't help. Your son is bright, so the brutal bit, while keeping is dad in a good light, will work in time...

I don't understand the mentality of, in this case, their fathers.

Posted on: August 4, 2009 - 11:31am
treza01

Thank you both so much ... im feeling more confident that im going down the right road with the being honest part .. to a degree ...its always better to hear what other people are saying ... and you adjust to suit .... and im pretty much doing what you have suggested ... and although you know theres not much you can say to them and everyone backs you up ... until you hear someone in the same position you still feel you should have / could have dealt with it differently ... sadly theres no advice book to follow thats got all the answers ...

Thank you both again T xx

Posted on: August 4, 2009 - 9:00pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi treza01

I just wanted to add that I agree that Honesty is absolutely the best policy. I think Louise's suggestion about telling our children that we don't understand it either, but we recognise that it must hurt and then changing the subject and doing something fun, is really good. It means we acknowledge their feelings, we are not slamming their absent parent, then we are showing them that we are all that they need!! ;)

As he gets older (teens) I do think it is important that you do discuss with him that you don't think it is acceptable to have a child and then not have contact with it, as the last thing we want our boy children to think is that it is appropriate behaviour.

How are things now??

Posted on: August 5, 2009 - 3:10pm
treza01

Yes im begining to agree ...i was saying things along those lines but i just felt i was talking a load of c**p to be honest ...but then he is only 4.5 and as you know they ask you something then half way through go pick up a toy and b*gger off ...

He very much "bigs" up his father like hes something to be proud of which i find so sad ... its like he has this little vitual reality family that daddy belongs to and gets angry if i question him
ie ... his dad used to ride a motorbike and everyone that passes hes like oh look theres daddy - dare i say no thats not daddy and he flys into a rage .. so now i just pretend i havnt heard ....

My ex is with someone .. and has no contact with his family nor other daughter ( shes older with babe of her own ) so its not just us ...

We keep in contact with his family but they have nothing to do with him because of this .. so we have their support but they wont confront him sadly they have wiped their hands of him

im going to go along those lines ... daddy has a new life and although iv tried to speak to him he wont see mummy etc etc ... god its hard .. even those few words you worry about crocking up - they have so much to answer for ... i wish i could forward fast time so he can understand - and i can sigh relief xx

Posted on: August 5, 2009 - 10:38pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I'm glad you're in contact with his family though, as it's so good to have their support.

I still see my ex-in-laws regularly - go there virtually every week with the children for tea. She's his step mother though, and has known me as long as she's known him! My father-in-law still thinks his son is faultless, although disappointed in his lack of responsibility towards the children.

Thinking of you and sending your strength and patience.

Posted on: August 5, 2009 - 11:25pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello again treaza01

It must be heartbreaking to hear your boy talk about his dad as a superhero. It may help to know that he WILL be able to make his own mind up in time and as you say he is only four, and at least at this age they are quite distractable......

It's great that you have the support of his family. I wonder how THEY speak of him in your boy's presence? It might be worth sharing with your inlaws what your "policy" is so that everyone takes the same line?

Posted on: August 6, 2009 - 9:47am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi treza01

I was just reading your latest post and it made me think about an old boyfriend of mine!

He didn't have a good relationship with his father and didn't respect him (his father is dead now).

Anyhow whenever we watched telly and Teddy Atlas (boxing trainer) or Billy Connolly (and a few others) was on, he would say - that's my adopted dad that is! From a young age he had chosen good male role models to be his adopted dad! And tried to eminate them (in a good way, not a weird way!!) or think what he could do to make them proud! I was watching Morgan Freeman not so long ago and I decided he was my adopted dad, he has such a nice face I think! My daughter is older than your son, but she doesn't have a very positive father figure, and now sees actors and sportstars and says the same thing too!

I only share this because it takes away the emphasis on that one particular person and means that 'good' men are the best role models who should be admired and respected.

Quote:
daddy has a new life and although iv tried to speak to him he wont see mummy etc etc

When I read this, I thought of myself saying very similar stuff, we shouldn't have to explain or let them think that daddy doesn't listen to mummy, (they might think they don't have to either :o ) So as a suggestion, maybe you can just make it even simpler and just say 'I don't know' and then add the previous stuff as discussed earlier. At least for now while he is so little, because I imagine it takes it out of you everytime.

Its not easy and it is something that only single parents can relate to, so best wishes to you :)

Posted on: August 6, 2009 - 10:55am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I have just heard that Morgan Freeman is to marry his step grand-daughter, eugh! He is no longer my adopted dad!

Posted on: August 10, 2009 - 2:55pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

:shock:

Posted on: August 10, 2009 - 4:17pm
sadsy

:!:

Posted on: August 13, 2009 - 3:32pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

:(

Posted on: August 17, 2009 - 11:45am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

oh heck.

He was a hero of mine...

Posted on: August 17, 2009 - 10:50pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Oh we still have to have SOME heroes!

Posted on: August 18, 2009 - 10:44am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Aye, but that's quite a hero to loose.

Posted on: August 18, 2009 - 11:04pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

yes I always like his films but unlike Anna I did not see him in a "paternal" way, it was a bit more personal than that! :o

Posted on: August 19, 2009 - 10:30am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Ooh errr, Louise! Who are your heroes?

Posted on: August 19, 2009 - 2:16pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Louise wrote:
yes I always like his films but unlike Anna I did not see him in a "paternal" way, it was a bit more personal than that! :o

really... 8-) :lol: :D

Posted on: August 19, 2009 - 9:31pm