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sadsy

Hey there people,
for those of you receiving abusive calls from ex's. Type in the search term into ebay and the items will come up. These can be used to record calls. The total cost is about £38.

Remember, if you intend to use the recording in Court, you will need to warn the other person at the beginning of the call that you are recording.

Item one
A phone recorder lead, it is like an ipod earphone, but has a mic in it. It will record what your ear hears and your voice. So both sides of the conversation are heard. You put your mobile or landline phone over it when it is in your ear.  

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MOBILE PHONE RECORD LEAD"

 Item two
A dictaphone or voice recorder with a mic input. They vary in storage size. The earpiece plugs into the recorder and records the conversation from the mic in the phone recorder lead. You can download the stored conversations onto a computer via usb. 

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ULTRADISK 2GB MP3 DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER DICTAPHONE DV7"

Recording calls is not illegal, so moderators keep those twitching fingers off the delete key. By the way, I have not tried these two products at all, should all work in theory. looool :)

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 12:13am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Me? itching fingers? Surely not!

The law is quite woolly about it all and yes, you have to inform the other party you are recording if you intend to make the recording available to a third party. Here's an online guide to the legal position, although you will note that they recommend individual, independent legal advice.

www.retellrecorders.co.uk/legal/home.htm

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 7:08am
sadsy

Hello Louise,

Some of the information on the website link you have provided is incorrect. I tried to use this passage from RIPA in October 09 (it's on the Oftel website too) to prevent recording of my contact calls with the children and it is unenforceable. Check with SPAN's legal advisor and you will find it so.

"Can I record telephone conversations on my home phone?

 

Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring are only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication - which can be a phone conversation or an e-mail - are made available to a third party, ie someone who was neither the caller or sender nor the intended recipient of the original communication. For further information see the Home Office website where RIPA is posted."

As I have mentioned before, OneSpace has need of a legal advisor to be available to the distressed members to give general family law guidance, rather than specific advice. You may be surprised, you may find that help be given on a voluntary basis?

By the way, what ARE you doing up at 7 in the morning? It's not natural.

Hug sy

 

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 8:44am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I have one of those tape recorders that tapes calls.

Ex was told in a mediation meeting that I was going to record his calls after a particularly and weird set of calls only a couple of weeks after I'd left.  He just denied them all...

I told my friends anyway, as the tape cut in automatically with calls, but only calls made to/from The Git were kept.

Not used now as he will only text me.  He will not respond to any contact from me.

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 9:43am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Ok, well I can only tell you what Oftel say, as per the link, and reiterate that independent legal advice is needed. I am not a lawyer.

A legal adviser is something that was being looked into a while ago by SPAN. I think it might be optimistic to expect people to work for nothing, though.

As for my early start, I always wake up early and like to come on the boards then if possible, as later in the day can be more hectic with my other work and meetings etc. I go to bed pretty early though.

Sparkling lime, it sounds as if your children's dad was disoncerted by the recordings!

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 9:53am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

I know that 5 years ago, at the time my Mum was dying, there was a lot of conflict between my sister and I. For some uncanny reason, I found out that on the day my Mum died, my sister was following me around taping me and my conversations in my house. Without going through the awfully long story, I had to seek out a solicitor, and I mentioned the tape recording. She told me it was illegal as I had no knowledge of it at the time it had been done.

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 10:40am
sadsy

Alison,
that is really weird. Of course I am now intensely curious to the whole story. When you feel strong enough maybe you tell. Only because I'm very nosey. Very sorry you lost your mum. She will be very proud of you. You are fabulous.

hug for you

sy

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 11:08am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Children's dad stopped answering the phone when he met The Gittess.  He wasn't put off by recording, which was 6 years ago.

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 12:40pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Sy, thankyou. I guess most of us have BIG fall outs with family at sometime or other. Mine is quite a long story, but I will try and cut it short. 3 years before my Mum died, she was very poorly. The Drs didn't think she would make it. I had been her carer for a number of years by then. I come from a large family, 9 children! I didn't have a social life whatsoever. I felt like I couldn't leave my Mum as she had a lung disease, and sometimes couldn't breathe properly. Anyhow, on a couple of occassions I would ask if someone from the 'family' could come and sit with her. I was told No, they were either too busy, or felt she could be left. In the end I didn't bother. This time when she fell ill, the whole lot of them moved in, (thinking she was dying). I was relieved of all duties, taking care of her, cooking etc. I put it down to guilt. Anyhow, this went on from the December until the February. No sign of them moving out, which was causing major problems for me. My Mum made a great recovery, and she had heard all sorts so she told them to go. As she pointed out, she was ill, not ruddy deaf!!!! That was the beginning of 2002. I gave birth to my son in the September of that year, and carried on caring for my Mum (forgot to say I had always lived there). The imbeciles refused to speak to me once all that had happened. Some refused to speak to my Mum too. In 2005 when I realised that she wasn't going to make it, she didn't want the 'so called family' coming to see her. Her mind was sometimes mixed up due to lack of oxygen, so 3 weeks before she died, I persuaded her to let them come and spend time with her. This they did, and they were OH SO POLITE to me. She told me to be very wary of this, (which of course I was). They'd never set eyes on my son before who by then was 2 and a half. I tried hard to keep him away from them, but this was very difficult, as my Mum wanted me by her side the whole time. The day after she died, my son had been taken out, I went to sleep for a while, and when I woke, it was to them wandering round the house. I immediately ordered them out, they refused. I left, my nephew (thankfully) came. I got my son and went to a neighbour. Nephew rang me to say they were ransacking the house, taking whatever they wanted. I gave them 5 mins to get out of the house, or else I would call the police. You should have seen them scurrying away, hehe. The funeral took place, and that was the last I've seen of them. They did try and take me to court for things they wanted out of the house, but my solicitor said they weren't entitled to anything, as it was me that had always lived there. A very long story Sy. Very sad too. One good thing to come out of it though was one sister I hadn't spoken too before my Mum's death is now in regular contact :) I'm guessing the others felt so much guilt, they could have done so much more. My neighbour (mums best friend) thinks they are despicable, and as she says, they tried all ways to drag me down, but I've always managed to pull myself from the brink. Ruddy hard, but I'm still fighting (just)

x

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 1:48pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Gosh alisoncam, thank you for sharing that, it sounds dreadful though and no wonder you have lost touch with so many of them, after that behaviour.

You have built your own little family now. You should be very proud!

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 2:14pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Thankyou Louise. Just before my Mum died, she told me that all I needed was C, she wanted me to move away from the area (because of the so called family). As it turned out, I couldn't follow through with what she wanted. I needed to be near those who meant a lot to my Mum and Dad, (our neighbours), so I literally moved across the road. Pure luck of course. Some days it is sad looking across, but other days, I'm so glad I'm nearby. The best news is that the others upped and left the area, miles away, so hip hip horray is what I say!!!

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 2:25pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

xxxxx

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 5:17pm
HelenT

Hi Alisoncam,

What an inspirational story! Thank you for sharing.

HelenT

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 8:39pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Helen T, thankyou. It's wierd that the thread started about recordings should stir up these things. Not complaining at all Sy hehehe, and I don't mind you being nosey in the least!!!

How are you Helen? Are the family watching the footie? My son (7) and I have it on, but I'm not really interested to be honest. How about you?

Hope you have a good evening. Take care.

x

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 8:49pm
sadsy

OMG Alison, 

that is so extraordinary, I have heard of relatives ransacking houses of deceased. But never really believed it. It really does happen :(

Well, your mum is very proud of you, we all are.

Hug sy x

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 9:17pm
sadsy

There has been one taker for the recording gear. I will report how well it works when it arrives. Feeling very responsible....gulp

Posted on: July 7, 2010 - 9:22pm
Pansy

Hello everyone,

yes I have popped up on this thread!, guess why ?

Everything has taken a nose dive as far as communications with ex goes & I am going to have to start recording calls. I have been to worn down & tired to come on & explain it all really. I am especially worried & distressed because it now means that I can't ask ex how daughter is doing because he is back to making no sense & being nasty, so I just can't speak to him anymore. so it's solicitors letters & taping of calls from now on & I am including daughter in that because of her lies & manipulation.

Daughter says she wants to come home & she is unhappy, but then it was to be expected, of course she will say that.

Sorry I know I am making no sense & you are all none the wiser, lol                           is late & I don't know where to start, sigh.

Alisoncam

your story is unbelievable! there are real life people like that out there?you are amazing the things you have had to deal with. x

goodnight.

Pansy x

Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 12:47am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Sorry to hear that things have deteriorated, Pansy. You were anticipating that your daughter would say she wanted to come home but stick to your guns for the time being, you are just getting things on an even keel for you and the other two.

Why is her dad being so difficult? is he finding her hard to cope with, or is there some alcohol involvement? Is he being abusive to you and that's why you want to record the calls?

Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 7:40am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Pansy, sorry to hear your ex is 'playing up' again. Perhaps he is now finding it stressful with your daughter full time!! It'll take time for them to adjust to the living arrangements again, and hopefully then, it'll sort itself out. Take care, enjoy the weekend, here's hoping it's a calm one for you.

Alison

x

Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 12:35pm
sadsy

the explanatory video about recording lives here (weird lady)

Note from Moderator, sorry that I have had to delete this link, sadsy. The video warns that some of the equipment used is illegal in parts of the EU etc, so it's not suitable for our site :-(


Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 2:08pm
sadsy

raaaaaasp!

Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 6:04pm
sadsy

Aha! I have you now bespectacled moderator!

If you type in "mobile phone recording" in google and search, you may choose a source of information, such as videojug or similar, or youtube*. 

*Please consult your lawyer before trying any of the advertised techniques. If your lawyer is as bad as mine, ask your mum instead.

Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 6:09pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

How did you know I have my imaginary glasses on? lol

Posted on: July 8, 2010 - 7:12pm
HelenT

Hi Alisoncam,

Yes things are a bit football mad in my house, I even sat through the entire England game making irrelevant comments at inappropriate points in order to show my ten year old I care about his interests. He is a bit of a stroppy monster  at the moment; combine that with a tantruming three year old and home is bliss!!!

How do you manage your son having different interest's to you? Seven is an age I found interesting with my eldest son as he seemed to come into his own opinions and likes/dislikes. Are you experiencing anything like this?

Pansy, I'm really sorry to hear about things with your ex, as if it wasn't hard enough for you having made such a huge decision with your daughter. Do you think he is struggling having her at home and so is punishing you by being horrible? How are you coping with this? Thinking of you.

HelenT

 

Posted on: July 10, 2010 - 7:09pm
Pansy

Hello Helen,

yes he probably is struggling with the sudden impact of her! although he knows what to expect. I think she must have been weaving her web up there with them both & saying un- true things & twisting things for her benefit. I know it sounds awful but this is what she does. Basically what happened was, is that ex asked if I could go up to scotland on the coach to pick son up from his holiday with Dad & I said no I wouldn't be able to, he then told me I was responsible too & needed to do my bit. I realise I do where my daughter is concerned as it was me who sent her there & if I want to see her then I will have to put something into it, but I am not doing it with my son in the summer, I am unable to anyway. Ex basically threw a big wobbler over it & got nasty, I then started geting abusive texts from his GF too saying nasty things about me as a mother etc.

I have got one of these tape machines & leads so I can record the call IF i speak to him & I am recording calls with daughter so that she cany tell lies about things she says I HAVE said or HAVE NOT said that I have. I am now making contact arrangments through solicitor too.

Daughter has now calmed down, now I have recording machine & she knows why too. I had a normal conversation with her today & she was quite happy, she says she is ok now. am not sure if it is recording machine or that she has now given up after having a good go (not sure if I mentioned she has been texting me & calling me begging me to let her come home)

Ex upset eldest daughter with all this, as I was so upset & she wanted to know what was wrong. ex said I dragged her into it, but actually when it was all going on he kept ringing her & she did not want to speak with him. He seemed to think I had something to do with it, but she is 16 & has her own mind. He has told her that I have sent him some really nasty texts over the last few mnths & that he can send them to her. I am VERY confused by this as I KNOW I havn't sent him anything bad at all, of course he has not produced them he is trying to fill her head with rubbish, I find it very frustrating, he always does this to her. I still havn't forgot the time he came here to stay with them & got very drunk & told her I used to hit him!! (NOT true) I think he does it because he knows she has her own mind & he does not like that she can see him for what he is.

Ah well, more problems to come no doubt, will keep you posted.

thanks everyone

Pansy x

Posted on: July 13, 2010 - 1:12am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hope you are looking after YOU in the midst of all this, Pansy :-)

Your children's father seems to me to want to present himself as a "victim" of the situation whereas in fact he disappeared with this other woman with no warning. So often, if a person feels guilty, they find a way to make themsleves the victim to alleviate their guilt, and I guess his drinking will not help this process and will only make things more irrational.

Hopefully things will settle down a bit now!

Posted on: July 13, 2010 - 8:47am
sadsy

Yup, 

recording thing works fine. There is a bit of interference on mobile phone. I wonder if a better ear/mic would be more shielded from RF.

eg the Olympus TP-7 with various size earbuds £15 on Amazon is better.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olympus-Telephone-Pickup-Hands-Free-Cable/dp/B00...

Posted on: July 13, 2010 - 12:37pm
HelenT

Hi Pansy,

Ohhh I am frustrated for you just reading this! I think Louises point about absolving guilt by painting oneself as a victim seems to fit your ex perfectly. How can be expect your eldest child not to be involved, this must have consumed your whole family for such a long time!

It sounds like the steps you have taken with your daughter are working quite well, she must understand on some level the situation she has caused and the begging to come home might just be a last ditch attempt at manipulation? By staying strong you are be demontsrating to her in no uncertain terms that she cannot behave like this.

 Would you consider changing your number so that Ex's gf can't txt you nasty things? How are you feeling over-all?

HelenT

Posted on: July 13, 2010 - 9:00pm
Pansy

Hello Helen,

yes, ex always put blame for his own actions on me or someone else, he mirrored everything, always saying I was doing exactly what he was doing!  I just couldn't believe the things he came out with sometimes!

And yes it has been very frustrating. He has told daughter, 16 yr old, that he will show her the awful texts I have sent him over the last few mnths, but I havn't sent any nasty ones! I am baffled by it. I would actually like to see them myself & have been tempted to ask for them but don't want to rise to it, so am just trying to forget about it.

14 yr old daughter still seems to be ok, they are moving into a 3 bedroom house in August ready for when the baby comes, so daughter will have her own room & they will have a nice big garden, so I guess the dog can go up soon maybe.

Pansy x

Posted on: July 15, 2010 - 11:59am
HelenT

Hi Pansy,

Do you keep a diary of the nasty things your ex and his gf say to you and the children? It might come in useful at some point? It's annoying isn't it because if he had her best interest at heart he wouldn't be pulling her between the two of you like this. It isn't beneficial for her to see nasty texts so that must just be about him.

It sounds mighty frustrating but on the plus side the house move sounds really positive for your daughter.

HelenT

Posted on: July 19, 2010 - 7:32pm
maha22

Before you start recording calls, you should look up the laws for doing so in your country.

Call recording laws vary greatly between countries and jurisdictions. In some places both parties on the phone must be aware that the call is being recorded (i.e. you must announce to the other person you are recording the call). In other places only one party must be aware (i.e. you can call someone and record the conversation, but you can't record other people having a conversation without telling at least one of them). In some countries you may be able to record conversations without the consent of either party and finally it could also be strictly forbidden to record any calls despite whether you have permission. It gets even more complicated when people call you from other countries or jurisdictions that may have different laws.

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Posted on: August 2, 2010 - 5:37am