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Pansy

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I may do Reggie Perrin, strip naked, with sombre dignity on Brighton beach, bid the world a last sad goodbye, step into the steely grey sea......blxxdy hell, water's cold! Run for it up beach and grow a beard. :lol:

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A OneSpace tea party would be cool :D Those that have Renaults would never make it though...[quote
me neither with my big Mitsubishi Delica 8 seater tank!!! that I have spent over £2,000 in last year.
I need nice car, no more imports ever again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you for making me laugh again. :D

I have just been reading some of your earlier posts, it will maybe take me best part of month to get through that lot!
I find it helpful though.

hope you have a good night & day tomorrow too.
hugs
Paula

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Posted on: July 23, 2009 - 11:05pm
sadsy

night night Paulasgems,

Not had courage to look at my early posts, I was so broken.

sleep well

sy

Posted on: July 23, 2009 - 11:12pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I now have a peugeot, so in theory, a party isn't a problem - until you take diesel into consideration!! Have the car, but can't afford to run it! :lol: :lol: :lol:

paulasgems, if you can download and keep the text messages. You haven't done a thing to warrant this abuse. As for the caravan, only my personal feelings, I think the tension might be too hard for the children to deal with. I know in our heads things can be amicable, but it would be so sad to be on holiday and find they're not...

Oh heck sy, I'm sorry about the CSA. The rounders and BBQ sound like good fun - lets hope the sun shines! I have everything crossed about the work sitution, and hope things work out well.

Don't write things off with the house just yet. Just get figures down - income and outgoings. Then have a cup of tea. See where you can cut back on Saturday.

When I got the car last year, I phoned Sky to cancel the subscribtion and ended up moving from BT to them - saved £20 a month there, and Orange halved the cost of my mobile, doubling the minutes and no limits on texts (texting is my downfall! Started when I was working nights). I cut out everything I could and managed to save almost £90 a month. Its worth it to be mobile though - last summer holidays I was without a working car! Everyone I spoke to was so helpful. I was crying most of the time though (gosh! I can hear you say... So unlike her :shock: I know, I'm very emotional!).

Then seek financial advice or start deciding the next step. You need to come to terms with the figures though first, calm down over them and then make the decisions. Believe me, it came as a shock to me with what needed to be done. No, it was very hard, but we survived though...

You can do this.

CAB might be able to give some advice if needed. Hopefully, you'll be pleasantly surprised. :)

Posted on: July 23, 2009 - 11:56pm
sadsy

Thank you Sparkling,
just woken, I have today off.

I don't like to think of you crying so long though Sparkling.

Yes figures today. "I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller, it is the little death that precedes oblivion....I will face my fear and let pass through me. I will watch it's path as it goes. When it is gone, only I will stand." or similar.

CSA was inevitable really. Hope money really get used on kids. Luke not coming this weekend, Louise say to my mum "because he is whining over it". Seems really cruel. I text her to say so.

It has been 30 years since I held a rounders bat, think I will look very silly, hehe.

Sparkling, you are so sensible, emotion not come across on posts. I love emotional people.

My boss has given me a financial advisor's number, she warn me lady is completely potty and smoke like a chimney! I also have my mum's financial advisor. They will all need figures though. My brother told me to ditch house as I not be able to live, like a millstone around my neck.

Today we will see. Not that great in excel, enough to do a list though. Also I need to look up sanding floors for bec.

love

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 7:52am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Sy

Good look with the money investigations. At least be realistic about the house, I know that the hard financial facts of separation can come as such a shock to people that they can hide their heads in the sand. The CAB is good for if you actually find yourself in a debt position and there is the National Debtline on 0808 808 4000. Re your legal aid query, I think it is unlikely you would be entitled. The system is very different these days and you need an income around Income Support levels and even house equity counts (even when you can’t release it if you are continuing to live there) but it is always worth checking with your solicitor.

Please share your new stomach exercise with us! :shock:

Have you had a look on the Food Glorious Food section in General Interest for some more food ideas? There are a lot of idea to do with pasta there so it would be a good idea for you to have a big bag at hand.

I think it is so sad that Luke is being “punished” for whining like that. Of course he is whining! Wouldn’t every child be? So this place where the new school is, how far away is it?

My car needs two more hoses and for them to check there is no water getting into the electrics. At least I have got it for the weekend, I spent a fortune in bus fares last weekend and having shopping delivered online.

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 8:51am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Paulasgems

I am glad to know that you have forgiven yourself for your very tiny blip. I would echo what the others have said, I honestly don’t think it is a good idea for him to come on your holiday. Further down the line if things become settled and amicable then maybe so, but at the moment it is all too raw and conflict-ridden. I know that it is sort of difficult to accept this, after all you know all the good bits about this man and can’t quite believe how he is behaving at the moment. But your number one priority is looking after you and the kids.....old habits die hard and I know that you have sent a lot of time looking after him but he took the decision to go, so he can look after himself now!

How annoying to lose your post! It is difficult to keep these things going with 500 interruptions. :evil: Why not do the post in Word and then once it is ready, copy and paste it over to the board? Then if it doesn’t appear, you have it ready in Word to try again.

Hope your day will go well :D

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 8:57am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello sparkling

What are you up to today? I am DESPERATE to know what is in the three boxes on top of your wardrobe. You could have a guessing game with all the kids putting in their best guess, and you as well of course and the person who is nearest is the winner and gets the prize: no chores for a day. Hey the kid will have to hope it isn't you that wins, or no dinner for them :shock:

Hope your daughter is feeling better today and no more worrying symptoms for anyone?

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 9:00am
Pansy

thanks Sparkling & Louise I am glad you told me what you thought, I did want your opinions because I wasn't that sure myself, I think I had already come to that conclusion. It is not worth the risk & apart from anything else why should I share my holiday with him after what he has done! he needs to work out his own way of seeing the kids & also once we had said what needed saying & sorting out I would be feeling back at square one again & would be upset, & the last thing I would need would be to have him with me BUT NOT with me! What was I thinking :shock:

Sy, hope you have a nice day off today.
Paula

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 10:26am
sadsy

Paulasgems,
http://www.mdocuk.co.uk/forums/

There seems to be a forum about everything! Your car is very unusual.

Just remembered, I have bloodtest in 8 mins!

bye

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 10:31am
sadsy

Louise,
tummy exercise.

Aikido guy, I ask him for easy tummy exercise. All it is, is a scrunchie I think.

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Lay on soft floor eg carpet. Or put towel down.
Feet flat on floor, knees up in air.
Hands not behind head, can be anywhere else.
Then raise head and shoulders off ground toward knees, slowly.
Only couple of inches off ground needed.
Slowly lower.
Alternate straight up to knee ones with diagonal ones, eg right shoulder toward left knee.
Continue till you can't.

Give it 10 mins rest.
Have another go.

Most important bit, tell yourself how much lovelier you are looking (he didn't say that - that's me).

My boss tell me she had six pack (I'm having some very bizarre moments lately). She try to tell how to do top of tummy, something about being upside down. I did glaze over a bit.

Now then sy, you not post all day and avoid figures! :evil:

:roll:

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 11:28am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

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Now then sy, you not post all day and avoid figures!

Yes young man, you have work to do! I was so sorry to read that Luke is not allowed to visit this weekend. Things are really difficult now, but please cling on to the hope that this will all change when it has reached Court and access has been sorted.

How was your blood test??

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 11:41am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Paulasgems

I so hear what you are saying about wanting things to be amicable, (I went on a bit about my own personal situation in the last post!) It sounds as if you have thought it over some more and you have discovered that maybe it is not the best idea. I think you are going to find the next few months very eye opening. When we are supporting someone close to us, we have to keep our cheerful, optimistic, strong, in control head on. It seems as though now you are a small step away from it, you are going to see the real person your ex is and maybe even how manipulative he has been over the years. Playing on your good nature.

You are a fab and groovy woman, believe it :)

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 11:45am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi sparklinglime, just wanted to say 'Hi' as we haven't had a good chinwag in ages!!

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 11:46am
sadsy

Paulasgems,
Me say same as Anna,

You are fab and groovy woman.

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 1:33pm
sadsy

Moneeey!

My head hurts!

Talked with CSA, and they neglect to mention couple of concessions that are available to me last night. Bill is slightly less. I feel a little better. I'm not ready for repossession yet.

Theeeeen, postman come with brown letter.

Our tax long-term tax credit overpayment arrangement of not getting any credits as repayment method has ended. I found out possibly due to Louise making another single person claim. Now they want the whole joint debt in 3 weeks time. We are jointly liable. If Louise not pay 50%, they will come for me for her half! I text Louise to be more careful.

£3,709 is the total.

That's it, "when the going gets tough, sy..........meets his mum for tea and cake in shopping mall". ;)

sy (with headache)

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 1:45pm
sadsy

Bloodtest,
easy peeesy.

Nice lady ask me to present my arms to inspect. Poke me with finger. Then puts needle in (technical term seems to be a "scratch" and my blood all spurts into little plastic tube. I get a fluffy cotton thing and sticky tape for the hole, which takes hair off my arms.

Could do it all day long, much easier than talking with HM R&C.

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 1:56pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Louise wrote:
Hello sparkling

What are you up to today? I am DESPERATE to know what is in the three boxes on top of your wardrobe. You could have a guessing game with all the kids putting in their best guess, and you as well of course and the person who is nearest is the winner and gets the prize: no chores for a day. Hey the kid will have to hope it isn't you that wins, or no dinner for them :shock:

Hope your daughter is feeling better today and no more worrying symptoms for anyone?

Actually, the boxes are very boring. They're mainly things I used to have on display on window sills - I used to have a reasonably big house, and one part was the cottage and had really deep windowsills. Well my window sills here are about one and a half inches deep!! I can't fit anything on them! So, things are still bubble wrapped, and too precious to get rid of, as a lot are my mum's ornaments. I also have my panda in there that I had for my first Chirstmas :D - priceless!

When all the children leave home I can have a small settee and a display cabinet where some of these things can then be put out on display :roll: I had asked a friend to put 'false' window sills on too, to make them wider, but they, along with the blind I want putting up in the living room, are still waiting. I moved here October 2005. They've been waiting a while!! When my leg behaves I'll start doing these things myself.

Still have to wait for the children to leave though to have enough room to measure up for window sills - their cups and various bits get in the way :roll:

I used to be so house proud - I have photos to prove it :lol:

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:06pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

My daughter seems to be a bit brighter today, thanks. I think she is if I can keep her occupied.

I've just left my youngest with the friend who'll be moving. Seems there is swine flu all over the place now - with a dozen other bugs going around. It can't be avoided anyway. Just if I can criticise The Git, I will 8-) He's never looked after them when they've been ill - if they were with him I'd have to go and collect them.

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:08pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Anna wrote:
Hi sparklinglime, just wanted to say 'Hi' as we haven't had a good chinwag in ages!!

Hello :D

I hope you're ok.

xx

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:09pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

sadsy wrote:
Moneeey!

My head hurts!

Talked with CSA, and they neglect to mention couple of concessions that are available to me last night. Bill is slightly less. I feel a little better. I'm not ready for repossession yet.

Theeeeen, postman come with brown letter.

Our tax long-term tax credit overpayment arrangement of not getting any credits as repayment method has ended. I found out possibly due to Louise making another single person claim. Now they want the whole joint debt in 3 weeks time. We are jointly liable. If Louise not pay 50%, they will come for me for her half! I text Louise to be more careful.

£3,709 is the total.

That's it, "when the going gets tough, sy..........meets his mum for tea and cake in shopping mall". ;)

sy (with headache)

My ex did that with me, although ours was only £370. He told me he would pay and I forgot about it. Next thing, he defaulted having not paid any and they came after me.

You can negotiate a repayment plan, although it does need to be paid back within a certain time period.

Don't blame you for meeting your mum - and I hope you enjoyed the tea and cake. It means it gives you time to absorb this bit in and get over the shock...

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:12pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

sadsy wrote:
Thank you Sparkling,
just woken, I have today off.

I don't like to think of you crying so long though Sparkling.

Yes figures today. "I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller, it is the little death that precedes oblivion....I will face my fear and let pass through me. I will watch it's path as it goes. When it is gone, only I will stand." or similar.

CSA was inevitable really. Hope money really get used on kids. Luke not coming this weekend, Louise say to my mum "because he is whining over it". Seems really cruel. I text her to say so.

It has been 30 years since I held a rounders bat, think I will look very silly, hehe.

Sparkling, you are so sensible, emotion not come across on posts. I love emotional people.

My boss has given me a financial advisor's number, she warn me lady is completely potty and smoke like a chimney! I also have my mum's financial advisor. They will all need figures though. My brother told me to ditch house as I not be able to live, like a millstone around my neck.

Today we will see. Not that great in excel, enough to do a list though. Also I need to look up sanding floors for bec.

love

sy

One thing I have learnt, with having to sell the 'family home' and with us having been homeless, a house is just that - a house. It only becomes a home when you are able to feel safe and secure within it. If you find you have no choice, please believe me when I say it will be ok. What you have with Luke and Arwen is what becomes important.

Hope it makes sense, the page is bouncing!! When it bounces I keep remembering about putting the post into word and then pasting it here!!

Why can't I remember that before hand?!

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:17pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

It's cos you think you are going to do a quick reply and then you think of something to add!

Glad your daughteris a bit brighter. Your boxes still sound interesting to me :) I was given two beautiful little coffee tables pre-kids. Once the eldest was born I packed them away and they only reappeared 17 years later and it is lovely to have something nice 8-)

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:34pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello Sy

Thanks for the tummy exercise. Should I do it before or after my curry tonight? :shock: "Instead of!", I hear you all cry....

You can defintely get a repayment plan for the Tax Credits. Try to get a plan just for 50% and say to them "just for now".

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:37pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Paulasgems, you have come sooo far this past couple of weeks. Well done you!!! :D

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 2:37pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi all, I am off on Annual Leave next week, just in case anyone misses me!

I am going to Shropshire, where I grew up, to visit some old friends and old haunts! I have not been back for more than a few hours for 20 years! So I am quite excited about showing my daughter around and seeing how things have changed!

I hope you all have a good week, no-one comes down with swine flu, loses their jobs, or their marbles!!

Take care of you

Anna xx

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 3:36pm
sadsy

Bye Anna,
hope you have a lovely time. :)

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 4:47pm
sadsy

Louise,
tummy time before you go out to eat curry.

Calories will still burn while you're eating then!

Don't forget to tell yourself how much lovelier you look at the end. It's very important. Small differences at first.

Each night please, don't count how many, just do as many as you can. It'll vary each night.

Only smallest movement needed, but slow and controlled.

Aikido guy show me movie on his ipod of Aikido club. I say, "why is that man suddenly doing a summersault when they were just holding hands"? He say "he has no choice, or wrist breaks!" :lol:

Is anyone covering for Anna whilst she is away? If there's a choice, I'd like someone quite "stern" and "matronly" for the week. I like difficult personalities. :lol:

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 5:04pm
sadsy

I have to agree with Louise,
Paulasgems is doing so fabulously well.

I am so full of admiration. sigh.

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 5:14pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Guess I'm too late with "have a great time Anna"

I love Shropshire.

Take care

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 5:41pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

yes Anna have a brilliant time :D

You guys are just stuck with me for the week, for a bit more time than usual. :D

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 8:07pm
sadsy

Oh, why more stress today?

Children's call, Luke say want to see me this weekend. Louise not tell him yet. I say, you can ask mummy, ask nicely and say please. He asks nicely and she say no crossly. Then he ask why and she refuse to answer him. He deserves an answer.

Then she text me for 1st time "Please refrain from asking luke 2 come visit every weekend it is upsetting him u have solicitors letter stating that u have contact alternate weekends"

I answer text "Hello Louise, solicitors proposal letter is worthless. Only court defines binding contact agreement. Please do not be cruel to Luke. He has his own voice. Simon"

I feel really stressed.

I was doing so well Thursday at work, I was so happy. Had lovely meeting with boss.

Have not done finances, just sat like a pudding. Something wrong with me today, avoiding again? Had a couple of shocks today I guess. Maybe I'm not as together as I thought.

So much to clear up, dishes, washing. Must move. I seem to be on "Pause".

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 8:53pm
Pansy

you have all been busy today!! Have I missed Anna now? hope she has a lovely time.

Swine flu IS everywhere now, we know loads of people here that have had it, I think my daughter & my Mum had it about 4 wks ago now. The Dr surgery were not bothered though, did not even offer the meds for it. Most people we know have really not been that ill with it.

thank you for your lovely words in your posts. I am feeling better than I did but I think alot of that is to do with the anger kicking in. I have not had any more texts except to simply ask me to give the kids a kiss from him, which of course I did.

Hope you work something out ok with the money Sy & thanks for the car link, I am ahead though I already belong to it. Still a heap of s**t of a car though no matter how much help there is on it & IT HAS TO GO!

I must take a look at your DIY section Sy, I may actually learn something & have a go.
I nearly died of fear today though, really needed someone brave, I had to pick up a dead RAT :o from the garden. we have had pest control in as we have a problem out there so I am going to be finding dead rats everywhere AHHHHHHHH!!!!!
It took me ages to pick it up I hate touching dead things, BUT RATS!

Have to have a good clean of house again tomorrow. kids will have to make their own entertainment.

Have nice weekend everyone.
Paula

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 9:36pm
sadsy

Another text from Louise,
like buses, nothing for ages, then all come at once.

She say (her spelling) "I am happy to settel visiting arrangements in court if it will help luke have a more defined visiting routine"

I say "Hello Louise, glad you are happy. Hoped you would put Luke's happiness before your own. Court will decide. You should get invite this week. Regards simon"

Goodness, Louise and I like bickering school children.

Hope Paulasgems not too cross with me.
I do not have such a noble heart as Paulasgems has.
Nor do I have the wisdom and pragmatism of Sparkling.

I think it will be another sleeping tablet night tonight. feel quite stressed. sigh.
:roll:

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 9:39pm
sadsy

Hello Paulasgems,
so glad you are recognising how well you have done!

Your car post made me smile :)

Thanks Paulasgems, I'm bit short of smiles tonight.

The DIY section is a bit embarrassing for me really, as [whispers] I'm not that good at DIY!, ssssssshhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone! but I am all for people having a go themselves with a little help/knowledge beforehand. I did promise to help.

Rats
Aha, my mum had rats in shed, rat guy (sure there's better term) say they go in their burrows to die. So may not be so many to pick up. You have conquered your fear of picking up dead things today! Cool.

Swineflu
I'm really out of touch with this. The TV not work too well so I not watch it. Is it everywhere now? I need to get a thermometer. Louise took ear one for children, which is cool, that only leaves me with.........the rectal one we bought by accident! Noooooooo waaaaay! :o

sy

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 10:03pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Very brave with the rats paulasgems! A shovel might come in handy for shifting them. UGH!!!! Where I lived when I was married there was a stoat - and it would kill wild rabbits by biting their heads off!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My eldest was a toddler, so I'd have to go out early and check for remains. That was so horrible. I used to chuck dettol about after too! Probably madness, but there you go!

Posted on: July 24, 2009 - 11:42pm
sadsy

headless rabbits,

yuk!

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:05am
Pansy

Oh Sy, sorry to hear Louise not letting Luke see you, be very careful with this texting lark! I speak from experience.

Had lovely chat with my girls tonight, they are wise little monkeys :) they notice everything, I dont need to say anything to them in my defense of Paul or mother-in-law. They see it all. We talk see, always talk about any problems. I have not told them a bad thing about their Dad though, not once, I keep telling them he love them & explain he just wants to be happy & this lady makes him happy.
They say things like, he would know what we feel like if you had a new man & he lived here with us, Dad wouldn't like that because it would be like we have new Dad & that is how we feel about Dad being with her. My eldest said she thinks he will have another family with 'her' before the year is up! (I have a funny feeling she maybe right, I am quite 'knowing' like that, has been known to spook people out, ha!) & then he will have a new family.
Of course I said all the right things BUT they see it like this, he has choosen to me with this woman over being able to be with them regularly, therefore she must be more important than them. Here is the difficult bit, I cant actually say to much in the way of right things because I dont know what action he will take & basically I am aware that I may be shocked to find that this fear of thiers could actually have some truth in it. I cant think why as I am quite sure he loves them loads but I feel a shock may be instore for me here, just one of my feelings again.
I'M GOING TO BE OK!!! :D I know I am now.

Sparkling you made be scream again with your story about headless rabbits! :o
goodnight everyone, hope you SLEEP well Sy!
Paula

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:36am
sadsy

Hello Paulasgems,
it's 4am again so am wide awake. Nothing to see, why do I need to be awake at 4?

Quote:
he has choosen to be with this woman over being able to be with them regularly, therefore she must be more important than them.

Children are devastatingly logical. It's for him to answer them.

You know, it is a bit of a "honeymoon period" for him and this woman. Only 3 weeks or so? The chances of his new relationship surviving are pretty slim, given that he demands a great deal of patience, skill and energy at regular intervals. He'll be on "best behaviour" for a while, then slip back to his old ways.

If this relationship fails, what do your instincts see him do...?

Paulasgems, it is still very early for you to be fully healed. You will be OK, and you must be kind to yourself. You have are going through a great deal of pain and change. Keep talking with your daughters, it's a really wonderful thing you have there. The hard days will become less and less.

Luke has left his joke book next to my floor bed..."Doctor, doctor, I feel like a bucket". "Well you do look rather pail". He's only half way through book so I have a good few weekends worth to go through! :lol:

night night

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 5:01am
sadsy

Sparkling,
[whispers] am I turning into The Git?
You will tell me won't you?

Help!

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 5:03am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

No sy, you're not turning into The Git! He always cancelled seeing the children, if you recall...

I know my posts are a bit direct with you at times though, and I didn't reply last night as I was too tired to answer it carefully...

Paulasgems is so right. Don't text. I used to send really angry texts - he never got to see how upset the children were, and would use such stupid phrases to justify his actions.

Moving to word and will paste it after! If the page starts bouncing I think I'll get a headache! :D

I do think you realised that it was a bit tit-for-tat. Like I say, I did it, so can’t blame you at all!!

I do think you need to be prepared for the Court to award every other weekend as Contact. It could take a while to sort though. I think the distance involved would possibly exclude one evening each week.

Every night telephone contact is pretty good – especially as you know that this is included in your telephone contract.

Paulasgems also makes the point that the children will in time see that the ‘other’ parent (terrible way of putting it, I know) chose someone else over them.

My eldest only asked me last year why I didn’t ask dad to stop contact with the Texan. (The real life “friends”, I could cope with) When I told him I did, he was shocked. He asked when I last asked him, and when I said the night before we left, he cried. My son was 16 when he asked this, and we’d left four years before. I think by then he was ready to hear my side. I think the ex has told them so much to put me in a bad light. Not hearing from people I thought were good friends shows he did discuss me in a bad light with them.

The Texan had been on the scene for two and a half years by then. I had asked The Git to stop contacting her, but he wouldn’t. He did agree though to her stopping contact with the children and I did tell the children they weren’t to be in contact with her – as she was only on the internet, I could not be certain of her gender or her agenda with the children.

I too assure them their father loves them, but have told them that their dad has chosen this new life and is busy, and will see them when he can. I do want them to raise their eyes to the sky and think ‘oh no, I can’t stand him and I don’t want to see him’, but they don’t. They think he’s wonderful, which is right really…

And what I say is thinking how my children reacted to things. It was awful pressure on them, and after we’d been apart for coming up to two years, my daughter, then 12 got to the point when a text came through she was shaking. She was at a point of a breakdown.

The pressure on our children can be immense, as we don’t always think of them. The two people they love most in the world living apart. God, how awful that must be for them. Torn loyalties, needing to ‘prove’ to both parents that they love them.

More info about me and my family now… Cup of tea time! It’s getting longer by the minute. I file it away in my head, and then when I think about it, it’s hard to stop typing.

My now 10 year old was 6 when we were declared homeless. He started to soil himself. Stopped when we were housed. Started up again a month or so later, and always before they saw their father. The same issues were affecting him as were affecting my daughter. It took the courage of the older two to tell me what was going on and I acted on it. The Git blames me completely for this, and took to yelling at me in front of my neighbours. He had never shouted at me before until I asked for the divorce. He always did as he chose and I funded it! He didn’t deal well with the loss of control. I didn’t even realise how controlled I had been until I was volunteering with a supportive housing group – who helped me when I was homeless.

Ex will never see him as having done anything wrong. However, by criticising me with the children and telling the children how to behave (when they were with him, they were not allowed to contact me at all – which I accepted, but which greatly upset my eldest boy). When he lived within a 5 minute walking distance, they were not allowed to call in either.

Then I blew things big time. With the second fiancé (he’s married the third) in the October he cancelled all overnight contact time, except for one – the first in December. A group of friends rearranged a Christmas dinner for that night so I could go out with them – me going out is extremely rare! The children came home from the Tuesday evening visit all excited as fiancé was coming “but we can’t sleep there as her sons are coming too”. I phoned him and asked what he thought he was playing at. I yelled, and even though I closed the bedroom door, the children heard.. No spare beds he said. My daughter was gutted. She said that dad didn’t care and put everyone ahead of them.

Worse than that, my youngest started to soil himself again, and when under stress, still does. School nurse involved, GP doesn’t particularly care. I’ll never ever forgive myself for getting angry.

That was back in 2006. I have accepted everything he has said since then. It was just too much for the children to cope with.

This is why I ask you not to talk things through with Luke. You can ‘roughly’ answer questions truthfully. You can let him know how much you love him and Arwen, and how they are your world. You can let him know how much you miss them and how sad you have found it that they don’t live with you. You can let them know how much you look forward to seeing them and how you can’t wait for that time to come.

But don’t blame any of this on Louise. You don’t actually need to mention her at all. They can’t cope with it. I don’t mention The Git to the children (I’m quite certain they don’t know I call him that. I do always refer to him as dad if I speak about him).

No one actually suggested ways of dealing with the children.

It was doing two courses with this housing group that made me realise I was as abusive to the children as I felt he was. One was domestic abuse – made me realise that I had actually been a victim, and actually helped me stop blaming myself quite so much for things. Especially the money side of things, as ex always wanted me to give him more and more money – hence the silly hours I worked. Yet he would turn round and say I never spent time with him – I was working – nights and evenings too with admin work. I couldn’t work much during the day as I had the children. He was earning £34k at that point, I was earning £11k.

The other course I did was child abuse. My goodness what a sad course that is to do. Made me aware that every adult has a moral responsibility to every child though – whether the child is there’s or not. This made me question why the children’s god-parents never approached me to question the well-being of the children… I did ask though about my situation, and how I felt I needed to correct things with the children – although a lot the school did for me, especially with the extreme religious view points. As even then I realised that I didn’t want to be seen in conflict with the other parent.

Being in conflict with the other parent – and telling a child/ren that the other parent did this or that, or shouldn’t be doing this or that – is abuse. I’d been abusing my children, when I thought I’d been clearing things up for them. A third party can clear things up for them eg, school, but the other parent can’t.

That’s why I feel you do need to be easier on Luke. As he does have special needs too, things are more factual in his head and so not so easy to explain.

I’ll never forget the look in my son’s eyes, the one with special needs, the night we had left what was our home due to homelessness. He was on an airbed on a friend’s floor. The look of bewilderment in his eyes broke my heart – and makes me cry now thinking of it. I’ll never forget that. He can only deal with facts. It didn’t matter how I explained, he only knew that we’d given the key back to the Landlord.

Sorry it’s long sy.

It’s lack of food. This Slim fast lark is killing me, I think! I hardly ate yesterday, and so I’m not in the best of moods with the children today. Far better if I type here quietly! A good counselling session for me.

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:00pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello everyone!

Paulasgems How brave you are, picking up that rat. I don't know what I would have done! Sy is right, your children's dad is still in the first flush and things may be very different soon....and as I said to you before, be prepared for him to expect YOU to comfort him if reality kicks in. Anger is natural, it's one of the "stages" of grief and anger does at least provide you with some energy, so it's not all bad.

Sparkling Noooooooo....not headless rabbits! Thank you for your post. I know that you are very brave and fair about the children's dad and that this has been learned the hard way :( Do forgive yourself for that one angry outburst....a. you were entitled and b. you are such a devoted Mum that you have MORE than made up for it since :)

Sy Sorry you had another unsettled night. I think your text to Louise sounded very polite. Try to keep it that way! Have you applied for every weekend on the court forms? Sparkling is right: alternate weekends is a more "usual" pattern through the courts. In any case, it will be better for Luke to know exactly what's what.

Take care, all

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:09pm
sadsy

Oh Sparkling,
thank you so much for your post.

You've been so generous sharing your experience.
Bit watery-eyed at mo, even through anti'Ds.
Wish I could make you a cup of tea and Betty Croker choc chip muffins.

I need to read your post over a few times today.

As I mentioned before, I'm really happy for you to be direct as you like with me. I often don't see subtle messages, wonder if Luke gets it from me?

I trust you.

love

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:18pm
sadsy

helloo Louise,
yes, I am prepared to be exactly where I am now after court. I have to tell myself I did everything I could to see children more*. Especially Luke, he is so miserable on phone. There's nowhere on form for what I want contact wise? Maybe I missed it. Or I too silly to include it. I take ownership of that mistake, it is all mine. Also, I'm keen that 3rd party decide, as I had no say in contact since day one, and I never did anything wrong.

Apart from take Louise for granted. Don't we all do that in long-term relationships?

Have done some finances on excel. Tax credit people want to go through them, I have a deadline from them. I'm not convinced I have all the regular costs in yet. There seem to be alot of irregular costs! Not looking good on spreadsheet at moment.

I read up about cafcass on Families need fathers website. My brain sizzled from it last night.

Hope you are going to be OK this week with all the posts on your own.

You're so lovely Louise.

sy

*apart from suck-up to ex (never say never though ;) )

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:38pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Sy - isn't it by Friday they need the paperwork in?

Excel is marvelous for things like this.

Really important to sort that out.

With contact, if you are able to write down how you would like contact to be and why then that could be something you can discuss with Cafcass. You can also state that you're concerned about schooling and the fact that children were removed from school without your consent or knowledge.

Same with contact with Arwen, point out you have never noticed her to by unhappy in your company, and that maybe its beneficial and not seen as favouritism having them both together...

You could perhaps do a more 'emotional' summing up at the end.

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 12:46pm
sadsy

Oh Sparkling,
erm let me check diary.

Yes, that's right, 7 days. Phew.
Goodness Sparkling, how do remember these things?

Hey! What's happening about this business loan thing for your instructor training!

Hmm, now you could do "refer a friend and get 1 lesson free ticket" or "6 lessons for the price of 4" or "fast track learning course package" for those with deadline. Or "August over 40's promotion" or "student discount" or "female instructor" (for those who had male partners trying to teach), "ADI instruction - reduce your insurance costs"?

Or how about looking into offering finance, lessons now, pay 2010 (finance people pay you also give u commission?).

Couldn't find much demographics.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1093

love

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 1:19pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I've written to a local agency that Working Links said could help me last year, and then decided they could. Seeing Working Links have been less than helpful, I've written direct instead.

My son's provisional licence has come through, so I've told him he's having lessons with the chap who has said he'll consider tutoring me! I can talk things through with him then, and find out how much he does want and how he needs paying. If I can pay as I go along, I might be able to do it without a loan. If he needs paying up front, then I'll have to think long and hard.

At the moment, I'm struggling with the debt I do have, and with extra expense of children at home, I'm really struggling!! I can pay my bills and we can eat so we're ok... Just that fear of yet another loan.

The only reason my son can have lessons is because I put some money away after I got my inheritance. Only a few hundred, but there's a bit there. He owes me some, so that can go into youngest's account - as he was born a while after my parents' home had been sold.

If ex got a whiff of this money he could demand it though, as it goes back to when we were married. I'd actually forgotten about the building society books and came across them looking for my son's birth certificate. Such a relief, I cried. He's desperate to learn to drive!

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 1:30pm
sadsy

Whaaaaat!
You mean you've not phoned the instructor guy yet! :o
Quick phone him now!

Tell instructor how marvellous he is and how you are so looking forward to it + offer cakes. I'd teach someone for cakes. Buuut, if he is local, won't you be competing with him?

I have a plan
No change for your outgoings until 6 months time when you start earning. Yes, I think loan for £5,000 was £100/month over 5 years APR 8.4%? While you learn, the spare part of the loan, say £900, pays for the first 6 months loan repayments and fuel/insurance whilst you train 40hrs appx? £3,000 for lessons and exams, £300 for sales promotion £800 left for problems/contingency. Done?

http://brakefreewales.co.uk/ this guy is in your area? Rate is £22 hour. You need to do 2hrs a week before you start to make a profit?

OK, cards for university boards, schools (for mums), community centres, diy centres, cinemas, high schools eeerrm.

Or, start out as part of a franchise? http://www.bsmfreshstart.co.uk/ Then become independent?

Tiling
Now I've got to get washed up and ready to go out and spend when I've just done spreadsheet which say £-275/month. I've got all my stuff together to attempt some tiling and I've opened the giant pot and it's all gone hard :(

Hope you have lovely day, I must get away from this computer...

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 2:29pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Franchise won't work. They don't like it if you leave even though you're allegedly self-employed! Almost £200 a week for the franchise, and if they refer students to you, then they have a percentage of the lesson.

I couldn't imagine having to find that much money a week before making an income, especially working part time.

Yep. Just need the confidence to phone the bloke.

Strangely enough, advert in the local paper for that agency I was talking about...

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 6:11pm
sadsy

What does advert say Sparkling?

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 6:25pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I've got my business plan ready :D

I know the rates I'll charge, and I even have a couple of friends waiting for me to pass - no pressure then! I still need to be able to sit in a car though - and get out of it...

You done that working tax thing yet? 8-)

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 6:26pm